I was able to land kimura's from within people's guards in straight BJJ. They were also n00bs, and the instructor told me to not do that, because it would never work against someone who even heard of the words "hip control."
I'm not going to get into the whole coulda/woulda/shoulda arguement. There are too many variables that center around skill level.
What I will say that it is has been MY experience that Kimuras are good for big guys. Not so good for little guys. That is a large generalization. I realize that. Because I know little guys who can get a great angle for Kimuras and finish them.
The reason I believe Kimuras to be good for the big guys is that the effect of the technique is greatly amplified by strength. Let me explain further. A collar choke isn't going to be that much more effective if you outweigh your opponent by 50lbs. Neither is a footlock. But a Kimura really depends on some serious crank force. Of course it helps to get the right leverage and a good angle. But lets be real here, if your opponent outweighs you by 50lbs he can probably keep his arm tucked in without having to grab a belt. Thier shoulder/chest/back strength will allow them to resist very effectively. Yes yes yes, I know that helps in a lot of applications. And I am certainly not saying that it is unique to the Kimura. I am simply saying that it is my experience that the strength factor is amplified greatly in the Kimura. Therefore it is a low probability submission for the little guys, and better for the big guys.
Now on to what *I* do when I can't finish a Kimura; I simply change to an underhook on that side and go for sweeps. No need to keep banging my head against a wall. Now when I go for the sweep if he posts out....hmmmm....time to revaluate. Because if he is posted, his arm is away from his body and in a better position for me to get a kimura. Just a thought.
To add to what feedback said about changing direction.
I have you in my guard and have your left arm kimurad and you got your belt in front of your own hip.I reverse by suddenly going with your pressure by pulling your hand toward the mat.Then I pull your hand toward my face THEN when your grip is broken and your hand is completely clear of your hip/belt I go back to moving your hand toward the ceiling.
Another trick not yet mentioned is to switch to a bicep crush.But this doesn't work that great wearing gi's.
yeah, while i love the kimura from the gaurd, i gotta say the reverse figurefour/keylock is better for smaller guys if you can set it up, i mean, isn't it?
Considering you can let gravity do most of the work for ya.
I may be wrong, I'm not gonna pose as a good grappler, the two dudes above me know their **** tho.
Nightstrike- unless I'm mistaken, wouldn't the reverse figure 4 lock be the kimura? If the normal key lock/figure four lock is the key lock, in which you have their arm facing as if your opponent were flexing their bicep while you pull their arm down and then lever their elbow up...
then the reverse would be the kimura, in which their elbow is facing down, then their arm is levered up towards their head.
Unless you are talking about something else entirely.
Don't you have that backwards.
Originally Posted by MadeOfOlives
Kimura - forearm pointing down to hip (inverted americana)
Americana - forearm pointing up to head (I guess this is the keylock in wrestling?)
Last edited by KhorneliusPraxx; 8/04/2005 9:55am at .
Upon rereading, I understand now. I was confused by "elbow facing down." You meant elbow bent downward right? Please forgive my confusion, I beg you. :eusa_pray
Originally Posted by MadeOfOlives
No, my prose is flawless. Flawless!
Strong people can power out of it early on in locking the kimura. However, once you have position you should be able to finish. I would say you probably aren't hipping out enough. Hip out and throw the same side leg up high under his armpit. Then your finish of the kimura is powered by a torso twist and leaning back, not arm power. Twist the wrist back with your outside arm, at the same time turning torso and leaning back, squeezing your inner arm back to try and put his elbow under your armpit.
If that sounds too confusing in the detail of it, just hip out more and finish with torso strength against arm strength.
If a strong guy can prevent you from hipping out, therein lies the trouble.