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    I'm saying that if you're actually doing something besides rolling/submission grappling, you'd rather be in a superior position anyway. Yes, people go for kimuras from the guard in MMA, but for 95% of the people here it's better to remind them of the basics.

    Position before submission.

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I'm saying that if you're actually doing something besides rolling/submission grappling, you'd rather be in a superior position anyway.
    Yeah, but if it were MMA, and I had mount , I wouldn't bother with a Kimura in the first place.

    Thanks to TNK for pointing out that the position wasn't specified. You're correct, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanatical
    You know what helps even more? Going to train Judo or BJJ properly if that's what you're interested in..
    What? You have to train to get better? I can't just post in forums all day and become a certified martial arts/chi master? Man, I was lied to for a long time.

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    Hey man, some of us are at work, and can't go around practicing our kimuras on our bosses anymore, due to pending litigation that I am advised not to discuss further.

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    It's a matter of priorities and fighting strategies. If I'm in the guard against someone playing the GnP and I'm not Nogueira who can and will take a pounding to get a sub, I'm going to try to get to a better position first.

    I'm not saying you shouldn't work for a kimura from the guard. I'm saying that unless you're really good at the ground game you should always try to get a better position first, if at all possible. If you can't sweep the guy or whatever, then yeah, do what you can.

    But the OP doesn't seem to be at the level of someone like Yrkoon or J-Lau, so he'd probably get more out of learning how to get to and apply the technique from a superior position at this point.

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    You're missing my point that such a sweep is probably more advanced than this guy needs to be worrying about if his main problem is that he can't sink the sub in the first place.

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    Is this the guy who got bit?

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    I was just speaking from a grappling point of view and not MMA, I think I'd get KO'd before landing a kimura in someone's guard, but regardless, in both senses, he should learn the kimura from the top first, then worry about it from the guard later after he's learned a few sweeps

    this will be fucking hilarious if he comes back and says that he was talking about it from the standing position
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    Quote Originally Posted by Te No Kage!
    I was just speaking from a grappling point of view and not MMA, I think I'd get KO'd before landing a kimura in someone's guard, but regardless, in both senses, he should learn the kimura from the top first, then worry about it from the guard later after he's learned a few sweeps

    this will be fucking hilarious if he comes back and says that he was talking about it from the standing position
    No, sorry to disappoint you. I'm not quite that inept. Maybe if I huff some glue before I roll, I'll give that a shot. Mostly I was just looking for some tips to break their grip off their belt, but the sweeps and strategies mentioned were an unexpected bonus. Thanks.

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    When you're fighting for a kimura, and they're resisting by pulling back; try suddenly changing the direction you're pulling in. You can only resist in one direction at once, so all of a sudden pull up or down on it, and then you'll be able to quickly pull it back in the right direction.
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