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  1. roly is offline

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    3.) Besides maybe 1, this is the big one for me (and it is probably not good that this is so, but nobody's perfect): I counter-throw fairly often. Let my opponent make the first move and then take what he gives me. Obviously this is not such a good habit.
    i have always been told that it is better to initiate the action than to counter
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    Quote Originally Posted by roly
    i have always been told that it is better to initiate the action than to counter
    Oh I know it's bad, I just catch myself doing it fairly often.
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    but in judo comps, aren't most of the ippons scored by counter?
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    No. Most are scored by guys going full throttle 100% into a technique. Judo rewards aggresive play. There is something to be said for counters, and that is it requires more experience and timing. They are also sometimes used as secondary techniques when you KNOW your opponent is about to score with something.

    But as a general rule, like in war, initiative is everything. And aggressive offense is rewarded. If you sit there all day looking to counter the guy you are being defensive. And that isn't going to be rewarded. If you can score with it than it is often looked at as the absolute epiteme of skill. When you see a perfect counter it often makes your jaw drop in amazement.

    If I were judging skill level I would probably be more impressed by a successfull counter than a successfull throw. Just my own opinion though,
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    the only time i throw people who are "better" than me is when i catch them off gaurd and i am very agressive. once they are on the back foot and defending, i dont need to worry about getting thrown as much. the lets me take risks that i would not usually take and (sometimes) get a good throw

    that being said a good counter is a work of art
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    Quote Originally Posted by roly
    the only time i throw people who are "better" than me is when i catch them off gaurd and i am very agressive. once they are on the back foot and defending, i dont need to worry about getting thrown as much. the lets me take risks that i would not usually take and (sometimes) get a good throw

    that being said a good counter is a work of art
    The best advice I ever had in Judo - as soon as you have your grip, attack.
    This too is how I manage to throw people who are better than me.
    Generally, whenever I am playing with someone better, as soon as I settle, thats it. They start playing their game and my counter-fu is too weak to stop them.
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    aight guys, I'm doing great with my ogoshi now, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FighterJones
    aight guys, I'm doing great with my ogoshi now, thanks!
    This is some good news ... way to go :5slick:
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    I don't know if this was said before but if he goes around when you try to hip throw then use that movement to throw hiim, like a combination, you fake a hip throw (or actually try it) and as soon as he dodges it you have him by the balls, just what usually works for me

    plus I belive uchi-mata is a leg throw, harai-goshi (wich is very similar) is a hip throw, "goshi" is japanese for hip
    anyway as everything else in life, practice makes perfect.
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    When I was beginning judo, I was told that if I focussed on counters, my judo would never improve. Countering can be useful, and occasionally (Khaberelli?) people can do very well with it, but usually, you are just waiting for the other guy to mess up. And waiting for the other guy to mess up is a very bad assumption to make when you're playing judo. It's easy in the beginning, when nobody's really good at throwing, but once you hit brown belt or so, it gets tougher and tougher, and you really really need offensive technique.

    Also, uchimata is a hand throw.
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