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  1. Poop Loops is offline
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    Wing Whatever.
    And this is what we shall call _ing _un from now on.

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    LMFAO @ elbowing his 'brainstem'! That is some impressive internal martial arts you guys practice. Next, tell us about how you'd tear a guys eyes out of their sockets, or tear out his throat with your chi-claw.

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    It's pretty beat up, but it is a complete copy....

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    Wing Whatever, I do like that, at least it shows from the start that someone really doesn't care to learn the difference.....

    may be I used the wrong anatomy term, sorry, and I am a Doctor, at least I play one on the internet.....

    I have never seen a elbow to the back of the neck/base of skull in any UFC or other event, could you please direct me to such vid....

    Look, I am not saying WT has any corner on the deadly skills or is the only one that works, I am just defending it as valid. It is a fallacy to assume my defense of one entity is somehow deragatory to another. but maybe logic takes to long to learn so some of you guys just skip it as impractical.

    JonnyC, of coarse it is cooprative and even slightly speed up in some parts, but it is what we do, and it is what is done for real in fights and such. Imagine what it is like if the partner can't keep up. (for those of you that have no logic skills, that is not saying you with your style would not be able to keep). and as I said, the goal in performance in the WT system is far different than in WC. VT is closer to what we do.

    as to the target area, your cartoon was very nice lilebird, but you can see from an X-ray that the Cerebellum(controlling balance) and brain stem are very close to the back of the skull. The stem/spinalcord enterface is protected by only the vertabra. Very good target for a pointed elbow, but not so nice in a sport event. It is hard to hit, and we have other options before that point, but generally in the tackle their head is right below the elbow...



    but maybe you got a thicker skull than most of us.
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    I've got a thicker everything then most.

    I practice Wang Ton.

    Imagine if the opponent can't keep up . . . psssh.

    Imainge if the opponent skips the patty cake and jams a fist into the WCer's nose.

    Also, I still haven't heard anything about the WC lineages that differentiates them based on style . . . just crap about who learned what from whom.

    And that's an MRI, btw "doc."
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    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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    ok, MRI, it also looks like the head was cut off too, or he has a very long neck.

    and yes, i can imagine a fist down my nose. Like i said, I m not saying it is impossible to keep up.

    I could explain the basic differences about the various branchs but it would just turn into a masterbation festivale for the Dmjibes, bowers, Assisopens, and the rest of them, and since I can't even spell very well...... :5dunce:

    Thicker everything, your pretty funny Cache :usa2:
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    in the tackle their head is right below the elbow...
    maybe if they haven't a clue what the **** they're doing.

    may be I used the wrong anatomy term, sorry, and I am a Doctor, at least I play one on the internet.....
    Yep, you did. Makes me wonder why you later again refer to the brainstem as being 'very close to the back of the skull'.

    http://www.neuroskills.com/index.sht...rain.shtml#map

    FYI, elbows to the back of the head were legal in the first few UFCs at the very least, and for probably 50 years before that in 'true' vale tudo in brazil. Oddly enough, no fatalities from severed 'brain stems'.

    Let me ask you this - in light of that, how high a percentage technique do you think your 'brain stem' destroying elbow is? Have you ever heard of anyone destroying someone's brainstem or cerebellum with such an elbow, outside of some sifu saying thats what you would do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr._Tzun_Tzu
    as to the target area, your cartoon was very nice lilebird, but you can see from an X-ray that the Cerebellum(controlling balance) and brain stem are very close to the back of the skull. The stem/spinalcord enterface is protected by only the vertabra. Very good target for a pointed elbow, but not so nice in a sport event. It is hard to hit, and we have other options before that point, but generally in the tackle their head is right below the elbow...
    So what's your response to a shot from somebody who's competent and isn't doing a dumbass football tackle bent over at the waist with their head down? I'm only asking because you brought up the UFC in the same paragraph as your elbow to the base of the skull defense, and most if not all UFC fighters know how to shoot properly these days.
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    Actually, you shouldn't tackle like that in football. The formula for a perfect tackle:

    "Facemask+Number+Remember-to-use-your-arms-you-stupid-****"

    Also, doc, what the hell are you a doctor of? Aromatherapy? Sheesh. Tell me where you live, and I'll make a note not to get sick there.
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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    I do not understand why WT is such a bigger subject here compared to other TMA, but I would like to add my two cents on it, one for the wtnners, the other for... the others

    Dear WT practitioners, our (yes I do it) is a wonderful art, as it gives you body mechanics awareness to such an extent that no other art I've seen/practiced does. Its main strength it's that it gives you really useful tools to use in a real "life situation": imo no other arts gives you the opportunity to strike first, quick and effectively as WT. I am thinking about i.e. a situation in which your are standing in a bar and someone suddendly start to get aggressive: with WT you have the best thing to attack before the other has even started moving, and that's key to achieve "victory" in every non-ring situation.
    BUT, it a striking art, it lacks the groundwork and the antigrappling/ground programs are only a set of predefined tentatives to defend: if you really become the target of a takedown by an experienced wrestler/jodoka/jutsuka they will not work: the only opportunity in that case is if you strike first, but first mean before the attacker has started its attack, because being hitt by an average wrestler for a takedown is like trying to stop a train coming, and it's completely diffrent from what we do in the gym as drills.
    Also, it is really diffcult to master, as it's position and movement are unnaturale for a male (I've seen women more a t ease with it): whta you gain in two years of MT, you need at least 6 years to get with WT:
    And it's not deviced to win a prolonged fight: by this I mean to stand one in front of another with gloves on trading blows; you have to train hard for that, and physical conditioning is essential in that case, and again in that case you need to adopt other stances and attack types. Do NOT even think to go against a pro fighter: pro means hours of training, abiility to trade countless blows, high tuned reflexes, if you "challenge" someone to spar, do it TO LEARN not to prove something, and if it's a pro fighter ask him to go really easy on you.

    For the others: I can assure you that if properly learned (I am speaking of more than 7yrs here), WT it's a pain in the a$@, as the attacks and mechanics are really good and quick. The main thing that is not understood, and I must say by WTnners especially, is that WT is an internal art, which means that it gives you principles: the important thing is not to adopt the right WT stance, is to correctly align bones, sinews and tendons in your body and get the strenght to hit from the ground. In fact when you reach a high level (biu jee, more than 6-7 yrs of practice), you basically de-construct all your stances etc. A good WT technician IS dangerous, as he can hit really fast from a non fighting stance and position, gain ground even faster to reach short distance, and has a great sensitivness.

    And another thing to clarify: to spar with someone you need to get in a kind of boxing/fullcontact stance; traditional IRAS will not work, the "one leg" could go (similar to MT defence stance), but if you spar you will need to trade blows, and this means put on some kind of guard. Again you can use the principles, but the external style must be different.

    A methapohr to clarify all of this: let's take for example MT and WT.
    Mt is like a katana, WT like a short knife: if you put two men one armed with a katana and one with a short knife in a ring, katan guy will slice the other to pieces. But a knife is nonethelss effective, as it can be put in a pocket, you can take out it really quick without the other knowing it before is hit by it, and in the right conditions for him, even a man with a knife can win a man with a sword.

    Cheers

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    i cant beleeve yuo interupted my massaj w/ this crap :5headache
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