Silat: Sparring and Exoticizing

[Boyd]

I like how the glorified Theosophists in Silat and the Bujinkan take thunderously obvious concepts like "you should keep constant forward pressure", "you shouldn't be tense while grappling" and "you should move out of the way of strikes" and expect us to eat them out in congratulations and gratitude.

Adding to the list, coming from an actual Silat practioner I met: "attack vital spots on the human body", "attack attack attack until the opponent is defeated", "a real fight is about destroying your opponent", and my favorite, "constant forward pressure with fluid, animalistic movements".

Just once, I'd like to see a martial art that advocates passively hitting your opponent on the most resilent parts of their anatomy until you get bored and surrender.

[Jim_Jude]

I like Silat.

[Askari]

Just once, I'd like to see a martial art that advocates passively hitting your opponent on the most resilent parts of their anatomy until you get bored and surrender.

Karate point-stop fighting?

Oh and for the record, I like the higher level Silat (non-youtube) videos that I have purchased or seen.

I just dont like the I'm so-d3adly nut-riders that come along with any martial art. If you think you are so d3adly and can defeat others, step up and fight MMA.

[Cullion]

I do silat stuff because it looks cool. I haven't ever really made it work sparring though. The claim that it works better against multiple opponents might have merit, if you do silat with knives and sticks against unarmed people. However, it's no better than Muay Thai or BJJ as far as unarmed vs multiple people.

Standup arts are more useful against multiples.

[Askari]

Standup arts are more useful against multiples.

That is so close to an NSFW reply, you rascal you.

[Cullion]

Behave yourself.

[selfcritical]

In order for them to really work in real time and in sparring you have to understand the leverage, the angles, the Langkahs, and shoulder position.

Otherwise you are guessing and using pure muscle and tension.

Sure, but my point was that spending time in my Shooto class doing basic submission wrestling and clinch sparring made it a lot easier to recognize those variables than time spent doing djuru's and lankhas. The techniques work fine. My clinch work is more recongnizably silat and dumog based than anything else, but the method that I acquired the attributes to make it work came from outside the system.

[selfcritical]

Standup arts are more useful against multiples.

Most of the "multiple opponents" friendly material I've seen in mande muda consists of "and if you hold him this way instead, you'll be able to let it go and run away faster than if you do it like this". Multiple opponent drills in kali and silat I've done mostly consist of "Get on the mat, have some guys circle in on you and engage, find a way to create enough space to run away off of the mat, or get enough room to deploy your weapon"

[Askari]

Multiple opponents = bad situation where you have made a lot of mistakes prior to this moment.

Perhaps at this time (prior to said bad situation and in the safety of in-front of your computer) your best choice of action is to reconsider some of the lifestyle choices you are making that get you into these situations.

If these events are something you can envision as becoming common, then perhaps your lifestyle choices are less then stellar.

[Hedgehogey]

Standup arts are more useful against multiples.

You got tossed around the mosh pit the last time you tried to bring out this ridiculous TMA cliche. Kindly get out of my thread with the rest of the genetic undesirables in your crew.