Silat: Sparring and Exoticizing

**Askari** · Posted On: 6/19/2007 6:16am

Originally Posted by Silatyogi

Otherwise you are guessing and using pure muscle and tension.

So, just to be clear, you are saying that using muscle (aka strength) in a takedown is bad?

***WhiteShark*** · Posted On: 6/19/2007 7:04am

DAMNIT! I just realized this is a necro-thread! Jerks. :P

**cyrijl** · Posted On: 6/19/2007 8:29am

This thread was necroed twice in fact.

**Silatyogi** · Posted On: 6/19/2007 11:45am

Originally Posted by Askari

So, just to be clear, you are saying that using muscle (aka strength) in a takedown is bad?

Its not bad if you choose to do it that way. To me that seems like a huge waste of energy and effort. In my opinion you should be able to use your art even when :

Old, Drunk
Tired, handicapped, etc

You should not have to relay on muscle to execute your response in an attack. If you understand leverage and proper striking, the silat takedowns become easy under pressure. And yes to answer your next question I have sparred using Silat and I still spar in my class with my students. We usually do a lot of multiple attacker sparring under pressure as well. BJJ, MUAY THAI, JKD, Boxing all become useless when you are dealing with more than one guy at once. The minute the **** hits the fan and you have 4 on 1 or 8 on 1 good luck using Muscle , tension & standard MMA responses.

**Shuma-Gorath** · Posted On: 6/19/2007 12:37pm

Originally Posted by Silatyogi

We usually do a lot of multiple attacker sparring under pressure as well. BJJ, MUAY THAI, JKD, Boxing all become useless when you are dealing with more than one guy at once. The minute the **** hits the fan and you have 4 on 1 or 8 on 1 good luck using Muscle , tension & standard MMA responses.

I'd love to see some examples of your techniques that defeat 4:1 or 8:1 odds and don't involve automatic weapons.

**Neildo** · Posted On: 6/19/2007 12:48pm

If i had a machete, 4:1 or 8:1 wouldn't be so bad.

**Cullion** · Posted On: 6/19/2007 1:11pm

I've seen video of people handling multiple opponents on t3h str33t with Boxing and Hung Gar on video so far. All links posted to if not hosted on Bullshido, one of them involving more than 4 opponents.

Special advice for Silat Yogi:-

PROTIP1: Boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ etc.. aren't all about being tense. In fact being tense all the time massively inhibits good striking technique and is one of the reasons old-school boxing coaches used to be against weight-lifting.

PROTIP2: Skill can overcome strength but all skill works better when applied by a stronger, faster, better conditioned body. 'Skill can overcome strength' is never a good reason not to get in shape. 'I'm lazy', 'I just love partying too much' and 'mmmm.. cheeseburger' are all much more credible and honest reasons.

**PSanderson** · Posted On: 6/19/2007 1:28pm

Originally Posted by Askari

So, just to be clear, you are saying that using muscle (aka strength) in a takedown is bad?

The way I read it, the point was more that applying strength inefficiently (e.g., against a poor angle, or against a direction your opponent has strong support in) is bad. When people say "don't use strength", they generally mean "use strength well" or "use technique AND strength."

**Silatyogi** · Posted On: 6/19/2007 4:12pm

Originally Posted by Shuma-Gorath

I'd love to see some examples of your techniques that defeat 4:1 or 8:1 odds and don't involve automatic weapons.

You are welcomed to come train with me and my group. I would be more than glad to share with you . Any goo
d Silat system will have defenses and tactics andd strategies to deal with more than one perosn. Its designed for that.

**Silatyogi** · Posted On: 6/19/2007 4:15pm

Originally Posted by Shuma-Gorath

I'd love to see some examples of your techniques that defeat 4:1 or 8:1 odds and don't involve automatic weapons.

You are welcomed to come train with me and my group. I would be more than glad to share with you . Any good Silat system will have defenses and tactics and strategies to deal with more than one person. It's designed for that.