Certified ATA instructor

**A.D.D** · Posted On: 7/27/2005 7:38am

Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken

That's a myth created by skinny little bitches who are jealous because they can't get HUGE! :wrestlera

Its funny because the dude who said it was a big guy. A big ATA instructor. I think it had more to do with point sparring.

Do people who are tall and lanky typically do better at point sparring? I would think the reach advantage would be an even bigger advantage in point sparring so give people who are taller, and probably thinner, an advantage perpetuating a false notion that being muscular is not desirable for fighting.

**Miguksaram** · Posted On: 7/27/2005 7:47am

Originally Posted by A.D.D

Its funny because the dude who said it was a big guy. A big ATA instructor. I think it had more to do with point sparring.

Do people who are tall and lanky typically do better at point sparring? I would think the reach advantage would be an even bigger advantage in point sparring so give people who are taller, and probably thinner, an advantage perpetuating a false notion that being muscular is not desirable for fighting.

Not always so. If you look at the Tankson family (for those who follow any of the Sport Karate tournaments), they are relatively small, but they are quick. LaRoyce who is the smaller of the group is maybe 5'8" at the most, but the fucker is quick and mean. He trully needs to stop waisting his talents at point and start moving up to more full contact K1 type fighting. Jason Tankson is also quick and likes to get inside. I have seen them take many taller people out. When it comes to point fighting, it is about being faster to the hit more than the hit itself.

**DSL** · Posted On: 7/27/2005 10:15am

Completely. If you can hit the guy half as hard, but four times as many... hehe, that's twice the skull rocking. I do love point sparring (I know asbestos jock installed heh). But I'd also love to do more of a K1 type fighting (assuming time to condition etc), the UFC isn't my style as a striker, but I love to watch them and appreciate the way they simply manhandle people.

In point sparring height/reach definitely has an advantage. BUT, if the tall person is slow and doesn't have an inside game, it can be over in a hurry. Heck, even a fast tall guy with no inside game will get eaten up. Usually I've seen that it intimidates people, but some of the best fighters I've seen have been the wirey 5'8" guys who come out like a wound up tasmanian devil.

KP, great avatar. Though I like the stormtrooper chick as well ;p

**Aodhan** · Posted On: 7/27/2005 5:16pm

Originally Posted by A.D.D

Its funny because the dude who said it was a big guy. A big ATA instructor. I think it had more to do with point sparring.

Do people who are tall and lanky typically do better at point sparring? I would think the reach advantage would be an even bigger advantage in point sparring so give people who are taller, and probably thinner, an advantage perpetuating a false notion that being muscular is not desirable for fighting.

It helps, but it's not the be-all end-all advantage. Lopez (Gold medalist) is something like 6'1 or 6'2, and 150ish lbs, but the man is QUICK! I have more problems with quick sparrers than I do tall or heavy contact sparrers.

Aodhan

**DirtyHippy** · Posted On: 7/27/2005 6:29pm

Originally Posted by Shu2jack

I too am interested in the article, but I would have to question it's validity because of the different requirements and methods of training in different ATA schools. I hope the article has locations and names to go with it.

Still got ties with the ATA, but if I get a case of the "I don't care at all anymore" I'll be more than happy to give all the info, but it'd be pretty obvious to some ATA people who I am.

**Aodhan** · Posted On: 7/27/2005 7:25pm

Originally Posted by DirtyHippy

Still got ties with the ATA, but if I get a case of the "I don't care at all anymore" I'll be more than happy to give all the info, but it'd be pretty obvious to some ATA people who I am.

Did you post the article for approval, or were you holding it back? I'd be interested in seeing it, even if only offline and private.

Aodhan

**DirtyHippy** · Posted On: 7/27/2005 10:53pm

I posted it for aproval, so now I guess we just need to wait.

**A.D.D** · Posted On: 7/28/2005 9:05am

Originally Posted by Aodhan

It helps, but it's not the be-all end-all advantage. Lopez (Gold medalist) is something like 6'1 or 6'2, and 150ish lbs, but the man is QUICK! I have more problems with quick sparrers than I do tall or heavy contact sparrers.

Aodhan

Just thinking of reasons why this particular guy was giving the advice of NOT gaining any muscle in order to be quicker.

**gonchez** · Posted On: 7/28/2005 10:12am

Originally Posted by DirtyHippy

Still got ties with the ATA, but if I get a case of the "I don't care at all anymore" I'll be more than happy to give all the info, but it'd be pretty obvious to some ATA people who I am.

I guess my question is this: if you get that feeling or case, then what does it matter if some ATA people know who you are? And what topic does "all the info" revolve around anyway?

**Aodhan** · Posted On: 7/28/2005 12:38pm

Originally Posted by A.D.D

Just thinking of reasons why this particular guy was giving the advice of NOT gaining any muscle in order to be quicker.

This is why I don't like the way this only quotes one post, rather than all the quoted posts.

Here is the post I was referring to:

Do people who are tall and lanky typically do better at point sparring? I would think the reach advantage would be an even bigger advantage in point sparring so give people who are taller, and probably thinner, an advantage perpetuating a false notion that being muscular is not desirable for fighting.

My response was that reach is an advantage, but not the biggest one. The biggest one is speed (IMO, regarding point sparring). Nowhere did I say anything about not gaining muscle. Lopez, the example I referenced, may be faster if he gained more muscle, he may not be, but I didn't use him as an example of why not to gain muscle.

Aodhan