1)wristlock bad can train with them
2)wristlock bad can't train with them
3)wristlock good can train with them
4)wristlock good can't train with them
I like sitting on the fence because it makes my buttocks feel funny.
Posted On:6/26/2005 12:47pm
Style: San shou(tai chi) +judo
Right, I'm sick of this everyone who doesn't like wristlocks doesn't use them bullshit.
To me it sounds like the majority of people who are pro-wristlock do not have the oppetunity to use them in sparring or wrestling.
Prove me wrong.
Here are the poll options in full;
1)I think standing wristlocks are easily resisted and I often train in a wrestling/sparring context where they are allowed.
2)I think standing wristlocks are easily resisted and I don't often train in a wrestling/sparring context where they are allowed.
3)I don't think standing wristlocks are easily resisted and I often train in a wrestling/sparring context where they are allowed.
4)I don't think standing wristlocks are easily resisted and I don't often train in a wrestling/sparring context where they are allowed.
And no, standard aikido randori is not wrestling or sparring.
Last edited by Jekyll; 6/26/2005 12:50pm at .
Originally Posted by Stickx
It must suck for legit practitioners of tai chi like Cullion to see their art get all watered down into exercise for seniors.
Those who esteme qi have no strength. ~ Exposition of Insights into the Thirteen Postures Attrib: Wu Yuxiang founder of Wu style tai chi.
Posted On:6/26/2005 1:11pm
Style: Wu Style TCC + BJJ
Your poll confuses me, but I'll tell you what I think:
I have a chance to attempt wristlocks when standing and believe that their uses are very limited. However, that doesn't differentiate them from the majority of stand-up locking techniques. When on your feet, the dynamics of movement make it relatively simple to extricate yourself from locks in general. Wristlocks are particularly troublesome, IMO, because if you're in tight to your opponent, then the wrists are a pain in the ass to seize; and if you're in striking range, then wrists are still a pain in the ass to seize. However . . . Do I think that wristlocks have value anyway? Yes.
It would be one thing if wristlocks didn't hurt or couldn't do damage. That's not the issue. If they can be used to instigate a certain predictable response or to modify your opponent's grip, then they are definitely worth exploring.
I have had poor results when it comes to doing the former, but chalk that up to a general lack of savvy on my own part. However, I have threatened with locks lots of times in order to nullify an opponent's grip or to make them give up on a technique halfway.
I wish that I could train with Wolverine. I believe that there is a good chance that standing locks could work as breaks if they were slammed on, but that one would need to practice consistently in order to achieve any level of real proficiency in that regard. And unless your partners have the X Factor, you're going to go through them very quickly. One of the most valuable things that I've taken from this site and applied to my own training approach is good ole Kano's take on practice and application.
Finally, I didn't vote because I didn't like the options. My vote would actually be:
Wristlocks not all that bad. Can train with them.
Posted On:6/26/2005 1:16pm
I think wristlocks are alright, but they are hard to learn and it takes a lot of training to make them work on a resisting person.
Posted On:6/26/2005 2:18pm
Voted for option 1.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." – Voltaire.
Posted On:6/26/2005 4:17pm
I toss kotegaeshi on folks all the time, but I usually end up just whacking the person with the other hand, since they'll muscle out of it unless I go fast -- not something I'm prepared to do with a training partner all the time. As a little unbalancing move it works well enough. I don't find other wristlocks quite as easy to apply on the fly.
I have, on the other hand, made it work for me right to the point of dropping someone when a guy grabbed me and wanted to punch me outside of the pub. If I had done a technique from the ground, his buddy might have kicked me in the head, so I'm glad I used it.
So I guess I'm a 4. I don't think they're easy to use, but I've made 'em work for me fine.
Posted On:6/26/2005 9:23pm
What type of fence are we talking about?
Posted On:6/26/2005 9:46pm
Style: MMA, No-Gi Grappling
"Standing wrist locks work best when following a few knees to the head"
Seriously though... its like any submission. If you control their body, attacking someones wrist is like any other submission hold. They work on the ground if set up properly. Marcelo Garcia tapped Popovitch this year at Abu Dhabi with a wrist lock, and lots of other people were using wrist locks as well. That being said, standing wrist locks suck because you cant isolate their arm/hand properly, so they flail and get out and away.
Posted On:6/26/2005 10:17pm
Style: judo, karate, jap jj
do wristlocks fall into seperate categories of "pain locks" and "break locks" or are they generally considered to be one and the same?
Posted On:6/26/2005 10:21pm
It does damage... does it really matter?
Posted On:6/27/2005 3:51am
I had a BJJ instructor who used to get us in wrist locks all the time. Some of my friends who train in Hapkido with me work as corrections officers and they say that wrist locks work wonderfully. I picked 3
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