Posted On:8/10/2006 7:19am
Style: Tien Shan Pai
Karma dragon I will like to take to you off line. Do you have an email I can get write to you at? Nothing bad just have some questions to ask you.
Posted On:8/10/2006 7:20am
That is talk to you not take sorry. Some times i type to fast.
Day Tripper/Dream Weaver
Style: Shorei-ryu & Kumdo & TKD
Originally Posted by Karma dragon
I am going to the D.C. nationals this weekend ( hosted by Dennis Brown ).
A couple of things (off topic) sir,
1) I read you will be at Brown's tournament this weekend. We have several team members (Team Sharkey, Team AKA and TEAM Revolution) who will competitng there. I wish I could have made it but I already had commitments to another tournament in Arkansas. Do you go to many of the NASKA tournaments or are you visiting this one due to your association with Sifu Brown?
2) Are you located in the Md area? If so do you know an Arturo Gabriel Andersen? He is a Puerto Rican Wing Chun instructor who was working with Sifu Brown at one time and now runs, or at least used to run, his own school.
Sorry to jack the thread for these questions, but you seem to not be able to accept PM's.
Jeremy M. Talbott
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Posted On:8/10/2006 10:35am
I'm in the MD area.
Should you wish to meet, Karma Dragon, let me know.
Posted On:8/10/2006 10:57am
Karma Dragon, can you identify some of the incorrect forms that are listed on Huang's site? I'm particularly interested in the introductory (pre-black sash) forms.
Curriculum according to Huang: Link
Posted On:8/10/2006 11:14am
Style: Kuk Sool Won
For Jose Knight-
I have a temporary e mail address -you can contact me at
For mikuk saram -
I am in the Los Angeles area.
I will be at the D.C. nationals to do a ksw demo. Dennis Brown was my classmate in Tien Shan pai. He is presenting our former sifu, Willy Lin with an award .
The demos are at the finals this Sat. night.
Like some TKD groups, KSW holds its own tourneys. Once in a while we attend open ones.
I am covering the TSP part for one of the martial arts magazines.
You can also use the temp e mail address for off-line conversation.
For Der Auslander-
I would be open to a meeting. We would have to work the logistics.
I will be in D.C. this weekend. I'll be at the Crystal Gateway Marriott in Arlington ( that is where the D.C. nationals are being held ).
You can use the temp e mail address listed above.
Posted On:8/10/2006 11:32am
I am not sure what you mean by incorrect but here's the deal-
Most of the forms listed are from the Tien Shan lesson plan.
There are 3 forms that were not taught in the original Lin's kung fu lesson plan-
1. little martial flower
2. Lohan ( I remember Huang doing a part of that one when he first arrived in the U.S) . He said he learned it from a different teacher.
3. little tiger swallow
As to which of the others may be altered or done incorrectly--I'd have to see them done.
I have one person from Huang's group who did 11 forms, which I filmed. Not one of them was done correctly from a martial arts motion perspective.
In some forms, moves were added that didn't belong. In others, parts were missing.
His best one was the 24 beats & 2 person set ( beginning form ). It also had several mistakes.
Since this person studied for several years, he is probably a fair representative of how the other students look.
Even if you don't know any kung fu, you can tell that those motions are not right.
I recently was able to view Lin's new dvds & they show the stuff exactly like I had learned them.
If you send me a contact address, I will send you a copy of the Baltimore demo from 1982.
It has gm Wang, Tony Lin, C.C. Liu, and Huang doing pretty much the entire system. The students were from Baltimore ( Tony lin ), D.C. ( C.C. Liu, and from Ohio ( Huang ).
Use this dvd along with Lin's and compare the forms. You can see for yourself.
Posted On:8/10/2006 11:44am
That would be great. I'll send my contact info to the email address you poster earlier.
Acupuncturist / Anesthesia Student
Posted On:9/30/2006 5:56pm
Style: Mostly weights now...
Man, I wish I hadn't missed the last several posts in this thread [damn school].
Has there been an update from Karma Dragon? Is it possible to get some vids up?
Posted On:9/30/2006 8:29pm
Check out pages 14 & 15 on the rotten tomatoes discusion of Tien Shan pai.
punch in Tien Shan Pai and look for the site that says "discussion of it all" . On there I am Dragon karma.
I am headed to Taiwan to get the goods from the late grandmaster Wang's wife & daughter. There's more info than you can stand on the tomatoes forum.
I'll be back in the U.S. in 2 weeks with much more evidence.
I f you want a copy of the 1982 Tien Shan Pai demo held in Baltimore, send me an address & i'll mail you a free copy.
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