2 styles at once ?

**Stick** · Posted On: 6/28/2005 7:51pm

My old training schedule that after less than two weeks I am dying without:

Monday, Judo
Tusedays and thursdays, kickboxing, MMA, & then TKD
Wednsday, do whatever the hell you want with the resources of the local police station.

Yes it is beneficial for those who already have already begun.

**Tourettes** · Posted On: 6/28/2005 11:42pm

Crosstraining really depends on the person as well. Nothing more disconcerting than seeing a lower-ranked judoka who crosstrained boxing pop one of the seniors in the face with a hard jab at the start of randori. I thought his guts were going to explode all over the tatami by the end of that match...it was like he was being used to level the floor.

You can argue that hey, the senior should've had his guard up but we were practicing judo randori, not a mma. You're gripfighting, not throwing punches. You want to crosstrain - fine - but you have to be aware and respect the rules and style that you're working with at that moment.

**chaosexmachina** · Posted On: 6/29/2005 4:51am

Originally Posted by BatRonin

Now, some gyms that are MMA oriented will train that to begin with, NOT different systems, but put everything together.

I think that's the best way to do it.

**chaosexmachina** · Posted On: 6/29/2005 4:56am

But if you can't get that, judo/kyokushin = a deadly combo. Go for it, sucka.

**Otaku Waffle** · Posted On: 6/29/2005 5:54am

Originally Posted by Hannibal

Just a friend who I have met at Kyokushin. He is actually quite a capable fighter. But he believes it is wise to pick a martial art. Train hard and focus on that, then move onto the next. He stated that by learining 2 arts at once you just trip yourself up. Just though I seek other peoples opinions on this.

I'm going to make the pretty safe assumption that nearly everyone who starts in
MA starts with a single style.

So, of all the people railing against crosstraining, how many have tried combining 2 (or more) styles, actually "tripped up" and only THEN concluded that crosstraining was hindering them? Based on personal experience, I'd say a very small minority.

Now, of all the peopling advocating crosstraining, how many have started in 1 style, picked up another one sooner or later and THEN concluded that yes, yes indeed, combining 2 styles is beneficial? Based (again) on personal experience, I'd say the overwhelming majority.

**I aint punchy!?** · Posted On: 6/29/2005 6:27am

There is another saying that I've heard before:

"To master one style, learn another".... the idea being that only by learning a new style of fighting will the reasons for why you do X, Y and Z be made obvious to you.

I currently do Arnis, Wing Chun and Judo... I find them all very complimentary... the trick is to make sure you can wear the different MA hats so that you don't become confused. But I don't find that an issue at all personally.

I started in Arnis (3 styles of Arnis at once) and then did Wing Chun, and have now started Judo... but I'm doing all 3 at once... probably easier on the old brain if you are only newb at one at a time... cos of all the terminology and forms and other BS (some of it useful) in MAs.

**Ronin** · Posted On: 6/29/2005 6:43am

Now, I know I may get reamed a bit for this, especially from Strong machine, but, in my personal experience, I have noticed that, people who start directly in MMA, become a "jack of all trades, master of none".
Now, this is not a BAD thing, BUT, I feel a certain specialisation is an asset, be it striking or grappling.
I have never met a MMA that had the hands of a boxer, or the stand up of a MT guy, or the ground work of a BJJ guy, BUT theu do have SOME of the tools of all of them.

Personally, I think the fact that my hands are so good, is because I was a trained boxer, not because I tarined boxing, there is a big difference.

Still, the jury is still out on which is "better", if better is the right word.

**Hannibal** · Posted On: 6/29/2005 7:52am

Wonderful.

Thanks for your opinions guys. I have not decided yet.
At the moment my routine is :

Monday/Wednesday/Thursday: Kyokushin karate.
But I'm not getting that much out of Thursday's class.

So it will be:
Monday/Wednesday: Kyokushin karate
Thursday: Judo

But I have not decided yet. I still want to consider it further.

Judo will only be $7- per lesson which is fine. I can affrod that. The guy who runs it used to coach the mens Olympic Judo team for Australia. SO I am assured of good quality training. They like to do groundfighting. I've watched a couple of lessons already and seen that they spend quite a bit of time on the ground. Oh and there are also a few state champions who train there too. Pretty good.

But I have to buy those one of those grappling gi's which cost about $90 - $100 for a good one. Plus I need to shell out an extra $80- per year to the NSW Judo Federation. Thats a membership fee. So I still want to think about it.........

**lawdog** · Posted On: 6/29/2005 9:01am

Originally Posted by BatRonin

Now, I know I may get reamed a bit for this, especially from Strong machine, but, in my personal experience, I have noticed that, people who start directly in MMA, become a "jack of all trades, master of none".
Now, this is not a BAD thing, BUT, I feel a certain specialisation is an asset, be it striking or grappling.
I have never met a MMA that had the hands of a boxer, or the stand up of a MT guy, or the ground work of a BJJ guy, BUT theu do have SOME of the tools of all of them.

Personally, I think the fact that my hands are so good, is because I was a trained boxer, not because I tarined boxing, there is a big difference.

Still, the jury is still out on which is "better", if better is the right word.

I agree 100%. If you start out MMA, your rewards may come sooner. If you start out in a pure grappling AND a pure striking style, your rewards will take longer, but will ultimately be greater. Provided you choose the right styles.

**lawdog** · Posted On: 6/29/2005 9:22am

Originally Posted by Tourettes

Nothing more disconcerting than seeing a lower-ranked judoka who crosstrained boxing pop one of the seniors in the face with a hard jab at the start of randori.

That individual must have been retarded. In over 20 yrs. of training, I've never seen anybody confuse styles.

Hannibal,

That school sounds like the real deal. It's probably very focused on competition, which in my opinion is a good thing. You will probably be encouraged to compete, and you probably should. If I were you, and could afford it, I'd try to train twice a week. You'll get much more out of it. Once a week would be fine if you already had several years under your belt, but as a beginner, it's not enough in my opinion. You can argue that once a week is better than 0 a week, but I would say that if you can't train at least twice a week right now, then wait until you can.

As for the gi, you can easily spend $90 or more on a good gi (like a mizuno), but you can also get a cheaper gi for closer to $30. Just buy the cheaper gi, as little as you'll be training, it should last a year or so. Oh, and DO NOT BLEACH IT!