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    Great post Arahoushi. Only thing I wanted to comment on is saying there's just one Ninpo school. We actually have three. However, most people won't even see pieces of that until they're in their dans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arahoushi
    When anyone in any martial art begins to think that their martial art can turn them from whipped meat into something deadly JUST BECAUSE OF THE ART, that's bullshido. No art is a magic pill that transforms ordinary humans into deadly warriors just waiting to off someone.
    I swear, if a bell rang every time someone said a version of that statement on this site, we'd all be deaf.
    Monkey Ninjas! Attack!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaTrocity
    The messer and it's larger cousin the grossemesser are often curved.
    Alright, since I didn't specify how curved, I'll tuck in my tail.

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    Hattori Hanzo

    Quote Originally Posted by JKDChick
    Let us begin from the beginning, then.

    State, with examples, how you know this piece of "information".
    Hattori Hanzo was both a high ranking Iga Samrai as well as a ninja. He defended the emperial castle so well they named the gate he guarded after him Hanzomon. And because of this there is now a train line named after him Hazomon sen (line)
    http://www.samurai-archives.com/hanzo.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koto_Ryu
    Great post Arahoushi. Only thing I wanted to comment on is saying there's just one Ninpo school. We actually have three. However, most people won't even see pieces of that until they're in their dans.
    Gikan ryu contains almost no combat techniques, and the only thing most people could tell you about the Kumogakure ryu would be that it uses the kamayari. Most of the combative techniques associated with ninjutsu don't come from either of these two, so as far as actual Bujinkan fight training, the "ninja" fighting we get comes from Gyokko, Koto, Togakure and Shinden Fudo ryu.

    But technically, yes, there are three ninjutsu ryuha. The rest were plain old samurai ryuha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GranoblasticMan
    Alright, since I didn't specify how curved, I'll tuck in my tail.

    No need, i think most of what you're saying is right on, and the messer is pretty easy to forget.

    As for the curvature, if artwork from the manuals is to be relied on at all then it's safe to say curvature varied from not very curved at all to pretty damned curved

    I've also seen photos of one historical two handed saber that was highly curved that dated from about the mid 1500's.

    There was also the dussack which is always highly curved in the illustrations, although whether the dussack was a weapon in and of itself or a training tool for the messer is under debate.

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    In the overall view of the curved 'sword' - I think of the simatar of the early arabian cultures - now THAT was a seriously curved blade.
    I regret that I could not easily find a pic to link to - kept finding frogs and some form of antelope pics.
    Although my specialty was never the sword - and more intense of Japanese blades - in my later years, I became more cognizant of the weapon known as a sword in different cultures and times. A few of you above are much more schooled than I in a certain understanding of specificis..and I thank you for you time spent posting - for I learned a few new things from you.

    Respects tended and forwarded.

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