6/21/2005 11:34pm, #1
Countering the Counter to the Arm Drag
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6/22/2005 10:13am, #2
They spin around to face you instinctively and square up.
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6/22/2005 11:23am, #3
Looking at what I have SEEN work, not what I can make work what I notice about the arm drag:
Marcello Garcia uses it effectively with jumping to half guard. This ability is based off blinding speed.
Wrestlers use the arm drag to get a better angle for leg attacks. I have seen some effective ankle picks after arm drags.
Judoka use the armdrag to get an angle on the back/belt grip. There are some amazing sacrifice throws if you can get this angle.
Dirty boxing will use the armdrag to 'pin' the arm between the opponents and set up a hook to the undefended side of the head.
6/22/2005 11:33am, #4
6/22/2005 11:41am, #5Originally Posted by Yrkoon9
6/22/2005 11:42am, #6
6/22/2005 2:19pm, #7
Armdrag is my NUMBA WAN takedown setup (not that I am that great with takedowns, mind you). I am severely nearsighted so cold shots fail me. Using an armdrag, if succesful, I will clinch the waist and drop with tani otoshi. If instead they pull their arm back and suck their elbow to their chest, that gives me a small opportunity to single leg that side. Often it'll become a pickup single because i'm just that much of a *****.
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6/22/2005 2:59pm, #8
Ohhhh a very good observation about the kyokush/enshin/ashihara armdrag version!
This isn't technically an 'armdrag' IMHO, as it is an arm control. The fundamental principle of getting the angle, and closing your opponent off is indicative of the armdrag. But TO ME the idea behind the karate styles is circular force, where the grappling version is a linear entry.
Let me explain this further to those who may not understand. In the karate version you grab your opponents upper sleeve. My personal preference is just above the elbow. You would use your left hand on thier right arm for example. You pull DOWN, and AROUND in front of you and force the arm into them. Forcing them to take a big step, breaking thier posture, keeping thier now lead arm down and swing them into you. This creates massive striking opportunities while controlling your opponent. IMHO this is the fucking shiznit of all mack daddy modern karate techniques in terms of practical applicability.
In comparison with the grapplers version, they use a linear attack. They go almost straight in, then use another direct linear attack when they cut back in to get the leg. I don't see them going around thier opponent as much as into them, forcing thier opponent to turn thier back and then latching on.
Hmmmm. Maybe the karate and grappling versions aren't that different after all...and of course I am using large generalizations.
6/22/2005 3:04pm, #9
Very interesting. I didn't know that karate guys did that, but it makes a lot of sense, in terms of setting up striking opportunities. Do "dirty" boxers approach this the same way (limitations of their gloves notwithstanding)?
6/22/2005 3:27pm, #10