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  1. VikingPower is offline
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    Yes Koto got his name changed, quit asking...

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    6/20/2005 5:19pm

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     Style: Kyokushin Karate

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I'm writing up the review for his Extreme Pancrase tapes right now, where he specifically mentions that move. It was a closed fist, he admits he used one by accident but since he opened it so fast after the blow the ref didn't notice. That's why Frank looks so pissed off after the ref breaks them up and he's rubbing at his face.
  2. lawdog is offline

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    6/20/2005 8:07pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    This is a problem that boxers often have in a street fight. Most boxers hit too hard to punch someone's skull with an untaped hand. It often results in fractures. I know, as I've done it twice myself.

    I'm waiting for somebody to say BJJ wins again.
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    6/21/2005 11:10am


     Style: One-armed flailing

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    BJJ wins again. Sorry.
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    6/22/2005 1:07am


     Style: Jacksons Gaidojitsu

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    For a while now i just try to practice every day doing opened handed stuff on the bags when i am ungloved and then only use a fist to strike when i have nhb or boxing gloves on.

    I am trying to condition myself to always strike with open hand stuff to the face when i dont have a glove on.

    Honestly though i would rather use elbows more than any other strike in a "streetfight" if possible.
  5. Jeice is offline

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    6/22/2005 2:11am


     Style: Karate

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Fear my shuto, biatch. :5squeeze:
  6. Snapp is offline

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    6/22/2005 6:02pm


     Style: Jiu Jitsu

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    If you listen to Bas talk about it on his Full MMA Career DVD, it sounds like he would have prefered to strike with a closed fist and he only used the palm strikes because he had to.
  7. VikingPower is offline
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    Yes Koto got his name changed, quit asking...

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    6/22/2005 9:11pm

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     Style: Kyokushin Karate

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    For the match, yes, but not the backfist.
  8. Strong Machine is offline

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    6/22/2005 10:54pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I've had many open hand and closed fist MMA matches.And trained for both accordingly for years.I never worried about palm strikes going into a ring.They rarely do much.They need a full force blow perfectly placed to warrant more than being ignored.They do not break things even remotely like punches do.

    If someone is not a fighter both will do.But vs a tough fighter if he is punching you and you are slapping him you are a fool.
    I guess if I'm attacked by a wealking with no toughness or heart I may slap him down so I don't crack a knuckle.
    But if in danger I will punch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strong Machine
    I've had many open hand and closed fist MMA matches.And trained for both accordingly for years.I never worried about palm strikes going into a ring.They rarely do much.They need a full force blow perfectly placed to warrant more than being ignored.They do not break things even remotely like punches do.
    I've never sparred with palm strikes before, only used them on the bag/pads, and they felt pretty powerful to me. Of course nothing can really give you a reaction quite like a person, but it didn't feel like I was sissy slapping the bag. To clear things up just a little bit, you are talking about striking with the heel of your palm, right?

    Having this knowledge, if you were to get into the fabled "street fight" would you choose to use your fist and risk breaking/fracturing something on head strikes, or go for palms with the feeling that either should probably do the trick? Clearly all situations call for something different, but there are general statements that (as the name would imply) generally apply.
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    6/23/2005 9:43pm

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     Style: Pro-Wrestling

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I'd feel like a wussy if I left a streetfight without a damaged knuckle.
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