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  1. Maestro Nobones is offline
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    6/22/2005 10:13am

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    thanks for all your sharing nikyu, and one thing: you don't have to be so apologetic! You're helping us out here, and the only reason we ask questions is to get a clearer picture of what you, and many, endure through your experience.

    Most of us don't get the chance to see so deep into closed-door territory of schools like this.

    edit - the machados run a BJJ school in Dallas don't they?
    I think it was two ninjas taped together, to make one GIANT NINJA!!!!
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    6/22/2005 10:20am


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    MN, there is a Machado school in Dallas. I think it's Carlos'.
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    6/22/2005 11:12am


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    hey thanks, will look into it.....as soon as i get out of debt....lol...and yes I was very deep into westwind, there were times I was told things that I am sure other students were not privy to. I think one of the things that attract people to that school is how damn charming the teachers could be, they would fawn all over you......at first..... then the higher rank you would get, the more you were treated like they were paying YOU to be a student there.....does that make sence to any of you??? The thing that really got to me was being shuffeled around from teacher to teacher....I would bond...get attatched...than wham...off to another. Then after months or years learning from one teacher, the next would come in and tell you all the things you needed to change, and If you said anything about the way another teacher taught you that particular move......well, watch out, you would spend the rest of the lesson getting lectured on being disrespectful.....any other former students of WW out there??? Would love to have a chat with you.
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    Posted On:
    6/22/2005 11:31am

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikyu
    With the full contact, it was pretty much anything goes, although of course you weren't allowed to try to kick the knees...but sweeping was fine. We were encoureged to go for head shots, and body shots. I found it kind of strange...after having learned all these great defensive techniques...when it came to sparring it was basically a street fight, with the exception of making use of the blocking techniques I had learned. I was never really good at sparring, so perhaps I was just doing it wrong. I loved the contact, but really wanted no part of anybody sweeping my knees, and actually got into trouble in a class when I refused to participate in that area....lol. I apologize if I have not really answered your question properly.
    JKDC called it right. You probably weren't doing anything wrong per se, but rather were realizing that sparring against a live opponent is a lot harder than correctly executing self-defense kata in a classroom situation. Certainly, if you only did sparring a few times a year, I can see how it would always seem difficult, since that just isn't enough practice to get good at it.

    Also, it sounds like the sparring covered standup but did not touch groundfighting, based on your description.

    Did they allow elbows and knees, out of curiosity?
    Last edited by Wounded Ronin; 6/22/2005 11:34am at .
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    Posted On:
    6/22/2005 12:42pm


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    yah, elbows and knees were allowed, especially in full contact....grabbing the head and ramming away with a knee to the chest....stuff like that....way cool!! I do remember being in a sparring tourny once...non-contact...and I was in a match for the silver medel, and I got warned once for making contact, then I made contact again and was disqualified...which I thought was bogus...we had been told...first contact...warning...2nd contact...loss of a point...3rd contact...disqualified...needless to say I was pissed, and oddly enough the teacher calling the match was the same one who ran the sparring class in which I refused to let my knees be swept...hmmmmmm.....anyone see the connection here?........don't think he liked me much.

    you are all so right, sparring is really hard, I could get through a 2 hour lesson, kata exsorsise...breaking(which I loved)...but 3 minutes on the mat in a sparring match totally kicked my ass....cheers
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    Posted On:
    6/22/2005 1:06pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I can not recommend Carlos Machado's school enough. Go if you can afford it.
  7. nikyu is offline

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    6/22/2005 6:44pm


     Style: kung-fu

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    here is a song that pretty much sums up my feelings about westwind when I left the system


    "In The End"

    (It starts with)
    One thing / I don’t know why
    It doesn’t even matter how hard you try
    Keep that in mind / I designed this rhyme
    To explain in due time
    All I know
    time is a valuable thing
    Watch it fly by as the pendulum swings
    Watch it count down to the end of the day
    The clock ticks life away
    It’s so unreal
    Didn’t look out below
    Watch the time go right out the window
    Trying to hold on / but didn’t even know
    Wasted it all just to
    Watch you go
    I kept everything inside and even though I tried / it all fell apart
    What it meant to me / will eventually / be a memory / of a time when I tried
    so hard
    And got so far
    But in the end
    It doesn't even matter
    I had to fall
    To lose it all
    But in the end
    It doesn't even matter
    One thing / I don’t know why
    It doesn’t even matter how hard you try
    Keep that in mind / I designed this rhyme
    To remind myself how
    I tried so hard
    In spite of the way you were mocking me
    Acting like I was part of your property
    Remembering all the times you fought with me
    I’m surprised it got so (far)
    Things aren’t the way they were before
    You wouldn’t even recognize me anymore
    Not that you knew me back then
    But it all comes back to me
    In the end
    You kept everything inside and even though I tried / it all fell apart
    What it meant to me / will eventually / be a memory / of a time when I
    I tried so hard
    And got so far
    But in the end
    It doesn’t even matter
    I had to fall
    To lose it all
    But in the end
    It doesn’t even matter
    I've put my trust in you
    Pushed as far as I can go
    For all this
    There’s only one thing you should know
    I've put my trust in you
    Pushed as far as I can go
    For all this
    There’s only one thing you should know
    I tried so hard
    And got so far
    But in the end
    It doesn’t even matter
    I had to fall
    To lose it all
    But in the end
    It doesn’t even matter
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    Posted On:
    6/22/2005 7:05pm

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    I'm sorry, nikyu.

    I just have to wonder, how does it get to a point where going to a martial arts school ends up being like a bad, abusive relationship?
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    Posted On:
    6/22/2005 8:09pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by beka
    I'm sorry, nikyu.

    I just have to wonder, how does it get to a point where going to a martial arts school ends up being like a bad, abusive relationship?

    and i am sorry about your horrible taste in music.

    oh and the whole, $15,000 in debt thing too.
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    Posted On:
    6/22/2005 8:19pm


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    good question......when I left, actually a few months before I left, it just occured to me that I had no desire to kiss anyone's ass anymore....no matter how much I loved learning Bok-Fu, I was 38, and it was time for my life to begin again.....I have no idea why people get sucked into WW then stay so long, maybe we were all brainwashed.
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