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  1. xvid is offline

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    gi and no gi for mma

    Which would make you a better fighter, mma wise?

    10 straight years of no-gi bjj
    8 years of gi-bjj, then 2 years of no-gi
    10 straight years of gi-bjj

    (i took 10 as an example)

    The reason i ask is that is that the gi makes you more technical, theres more to watch out for, it helps you train technique, etc.

    Whereas on the other hand, the no-gi seems more logical for mma (fight like you train, without a gi)

    Or maybe train gi-bjj first for the 'technique', then top it off with some no-gi to get used to it.

    which? why?
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    I think that Godzilla will always beat King Kong in a streetfight. Always.

    Dude, seriously. There is no special formula. Individuals respond differently to different training. But it's safe to say that if you didn't do any no-gi training you are gonna eventually get fucked up in MMA.
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     Style: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

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    Lots of people say that training with the gi makes you more technical and in a sense this is true-

    It makes you a more technical gi fighter.

    There are alot of gi fighters who cant make the transition to no gi fighting.

    I believe that starting off with the gi is a good idea- you learn how to flow with your movements and not rely on strength or speed for techniques or escapes. When it comes straight down to it though, training in no gi is what prepares you best for no gi. I think BTT trains exclusively in no gi, so theres one good example.

    I think if you could do say, a few years of gi followed by mostly no gi that would be most benficial.
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    the gi makes you more technical, theres more to watch out for
    The same argument could be made for no-gi... Being simplified but slippery means technique rather than bulk knowledge of gi permutations makes a better grappler.

    Also remember in terms of MMA... In some leagues fighters wear Gi... You really wouldn’t want to step into the Pride ring with a Gi fighter if you had zero experience fighting with a Gi.

    Being exclusively anything is a bad thing... Its about being well rounded. I don’t consider my own personal lack of Gi grappling experience anything but a weakness.
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     Style: standup to ground

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    Because I look funny in gis, I prefer no-gi : )
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    If you live in the northeast, grappling with the gi is useful since people often will wear winter clothing.
    “nobody shoots anybody in the face unless you’re a hit man or a video gamer.” - Jack Thompson
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    If grappling in a gi is harder so it makes you better at no-gi...
    Then why not grapple in straightjackets?
    I mean that would be WICKED HARD, So logically you'd hafta get super technical.

    For that matter hitting a wiffleball on a windy day is crazy hard.
    So if my theory holds soon you shall see me pulling down 10 mil a year in the majors.
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     Style: TKD BJJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris
    At 10 years, should it really matter?
    At 10 yrs, it probably doesn't matter just because an experienced fighter will take the time to train in both aspects. But, when the question, I think, definitely becomes relevant is to someone starting out in BJJ...I just started about 8 months ago, and in the beginning I thought to go to about the same number of gi vs no gi classes...but for the last several weeks I've made the conscious decision to go to gi classes primarily, so that I can become more familiar with one perspective of grappling. Perhaps after a year or two, I'll start to attend more no-gi classes to broaden out my experience. I'd be curious to hear other people's opinion about gi vs no-gi for the bjj newbies like myself
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    Only take 5 years of no gi BJJ. Contrary to popular belief and common sense, training no gi BJJ for even a second more than 5 years makes you WORSE at it.

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     Style: BJJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumby
    I think BTT trains exclusively in no gi, so theres one good example.
    BTT does both gi and no-gi training. So do the Barra Combat Team guys, even those who originally began training in Luta Livre. I've rolled with a couple of the latter.

    From what I've experienced in my own training, the two are mutually beneficial, with a number of crossover benefits. I personally advocate them training them both at the same time, but with more time allocated to gi work. No-gi's to a gi game like candy to a diet. Okay every so often, but too much isn't good for you.
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