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  1. Mo_Fo is offline

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    Wow... this was released just today on YouTube. The name Paul Thomas rang a bell and I remembered where I first read the name... it was here.

    Here is a YouTube released today with (according to the notes on the video) a newb with NO grappling experience being choked out by another kid while under the supervision of Paul Thomas (I do believe that's him in the video), then the kid was tossed to his belly and had everybody in the room laughing at the kid.., real bad form, imho... http://youtube.com/watch?v=FQ_pthv9LCY

    Wow. This was sad to watch. I would never enroll my kids there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo_Fo View Post
    Wow... this was released just today on YouTube. The name Paul Thomas rang a bell and I remembered where I first read the name... it was here.

    Here is a YouTube released today with (according to the notes on the video) a newb with NO grappling experience being choked out by another kid while under the supervision of Paul Thomas (I do believe that's him in the video), then the kid was tossed to his belly and had everybody in the room laughing at the kid.., real bad form, imho... http://youtube.com/watch?v=FQ_pthv9LCY

    Wow. This was sad to watch. I would never enroll my kids there.
    Here's the same video couched in another context, which makes a big difference in interpretation (click to watch on YouTube for context and comments):



    It so happens that this very incident was related to me by someone who was actually there. According to the eyewitness, Paul Thomas was conducting his children's BJJ camp at his academy when this 18 year old walked in and wanted to roll with someone. The young man stated that he had at least 5 years of BJJ experience, training 5 times a week. However, he was unable to answer questions about setting up basic BJJ techniques, causing folks to believe he might be some kind of bullshitter.

    At any rate, the wannabe BJJer was granted his wish of getting to roll with one of the children at the camp and he got himself choked out.
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    "This is exactly what should happen when some smack-talker dojostorms a children's Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu class."

    (One of the comments posted to the second vid.)
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    Originally Posted by chrissybjj
    Look, there is no debate as to whether Paul Thomas is an ass-hole. He definetly is...was what he did wrong? Definetly.

    However, the story just doesn't make sense. Everyone knows that Paul produces these really bad ass kids all the time. Caine Menn is only one of them. Paul also has Kai Holland, and Logan "Skunk" Ortega. He's produced some little girls who seem like they're pretty bad-ass too: Tayler Rosario, Eeden Sharaby, and Rachel Aquino.

    In the 90's Paul was still into judo. He started coaching Seth Daniels when he was 12years old. When seth was a kid, Paul had him winning the junior nationals in judo. Seth has done well in judo, sombo, jiu-jitsu and mma. Anthony Hoff started training with him when he was 10, he won a bunch of junior national titles. Daniel Gomez was 12 when Paul started coaching him and he went on to win nationals in judo. All of those kids are in their thirties now. And, while all would agree that Paul is an ass-hole, none of them would say that he was abusive.

    So why would Paul take a 16 (in fact, actually 18) year old kid, who had no experience in grappling, and have Caine choke him out? When he normally makes kids into bad-asses? Nick Schultz was 16 when Paul started coaching him. And by the time he was 19 he was a world champion.

    So it's just not his M.O.

    Now this story makes more sense: (keep in mind this is just a theory, i might be wrong) Now there's this guy who obviously hates Paul with a passion. He got a hold of Paul at a bad time. Then, he made up this story to put Paul out of business. He keeps dragging Draculino into this too; not Karl Geis, or Zenik Mantle, or Larry Lunn. He also wants people and parents to think he's some kind of child abuser.

    Now not too many people know this, but Paul Thomas is suing the Mango family for fraud, liable and slander. Now that is a fact. Paul Thomas was suppose to be 50/50 partner with Chris Mango. West Side was the biggest MMA school in Texas and the real estate alone was worth a $1,000,000.

    Enrico Mango (Chris Mango's dad) kept telling Paul and the other employees that West Side was in the red. Brandon Mullins (who was also coached by Paul as a kid) and Paul Thomas began to suspect that their was something wrong. Paul, being the sole owner of the West Side LLC, looked into the matter only to find that the school was making about $30,00 a month. He also found out that Enrico Mango was keeping all of the profits for himself. You see, Paul was so focussed on coaching BJJ and MMA, he didn't have the time to keep up with the schools accounting. "That was Rick's job." That would make Rick Mango a theif. Rick always talks about his ties with the Itallian Mafia. In fact, he seems to be proud of it. Now that is a fact.

    Paul confronted Rick; he told Rick that he would have to put the money back. Paul loved West Side, he also had become very close to the kids and didn't want lose them. He wanted to work things out.

    I guess Rick didn't. Someone went to the comptroller's office, forged Paul's name, and closed his LLC. The same day a new LLC was put in it's place, in the same phisical address. This LLC belonged to Enrico Mango. The following day Rick threw Paul out. Now that is a fact. Paul was left with nothing. Rick and Chris were so arrogant they figured things would just go on as normal.

    Rick claimed that Paul was a drunk, and addicted to amphetamines, and yes, he told everyone Paul was a pedophile. When Paul opened a small BJJ school in the same neigborhood, and was going to keep the name of "West Side" he sent out an e-mail stating Paul Thomas was "inapropriate with young people." he sent this e-mail out to some 1,300 people. He didn't sign it himself, he signed it with the names of Aaron Pene, Brandon Mullins, Alex Cisne, Chris Mango, and Kenny Burke. We know this is true because Rick confessed it while under oath. Now that is a fact.

    All the kids that Rick claimed Paul abused continue to train with Paul. Now Rick is having criminal charges placed on him and he is being sued. Could it be that the Mango's got ahold of this video and made up a bunch of lies in an attempt to make Paul look like the bad guy. Maybe they thought that if they could make Paul look like some kind of degenerate, people wouldn't see them as the theives they are.

    Just a thought.
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    Originally Posted by chrissybjj
    Look, there is no debate as to whether Paul Thomas is an ass-hole. He definetly is...was what he did wrong? Definetly.

    However, the story just doesn't make sense. Everyone knows that Paul produces these really bad ass kids all the time. Caine Menn is only one of them. Paul also has Kai Holland, and Logan "Skunk" Ortega. He's produced some little girls who seem like they're pretty bad-ass too: Tayler Rosario, Eeden Sharaby, and Rachel Aquino.

    In the 90's Paul was still into judo. He started coaching Seth Daniels when he was 12years old. When seth was a kid, Paul had him winning the junior nationals in judo. Seth has done well in judo, sombo, jiu-jitsu and mma. Anthony Hoff started training with him when he was 10, he won a bunch of junior national titles. Daniel Gomez was 12 when Paul started coaching him and he went on to win nationals in judo. All of those kids are in their thirties now. And, while all would agree that Paul is an ass-hole, none of them would say that he was abusive.

    So why would Paul take a 16 (in fact, actually 18) year old kid, who had no experience in grappling, and have Caine choke him out? When he normally makes kids into bad-asses? Nick Schultz was 16 when Paul started coaching him. And by the time he was 19 he was a world champion.

    So it's just not his M.O.

    Now this story makes more sense: (keep in mind this is just a theory, i might be wrong) Now there's this guy who obviously hates Paul with a passion. He got a hold of Paul at a bad time. Then, he made up this story to put Paul out of business. He keeps dragging Draculino into this too; not Karl Geis, or Zenik Mantle, or Larry Lunn. He also wants people and parents to think he's some kind of child abuser.

    Now not too many people know this, but Paul Thomas is suing the Mango family for fraud, liable and slander. Now that is a fact. Paul Thomas was suppose to be 50/50 partner with Chris Mango. West Side was the biggest MMA school in Texas and the real estate alone was worth a $1,000,000.

    Enrico Mango (Chris Mango's dad) kept telling Paul and the other employees that West Side was in the red. Brandon Mullins (who was also coached by Paul as a kid) and Paul Thomas began to suspect that their was something wrong. Paul, being the sole owner of the West Side LLC, looked into the matter only to find that the school was making about $30,00 a month. He also found out that Enrico Mango was keeping all of the profits for himself. You see, Paul was so focussed on coaching BJJ and MMA, he didn't have the time to keep up with the schools accounting. "That was Rick's job." That would make Rick Mango a theif. Rick always talks about his ties with the Itallian Mafia. In fact, he seems to be proud of it. Now that is a fact.

    Paul confronted Rick; he told Rick that he would have to put the money back. Paul loved West Side, he also had become very close to the kids and didn't want lose them. He wanted to work things out.

    I guess Rick didn't. Someone went to the comptroller's office, forged Paul's name, and closed his LLC. The same day a new LLC was put in it's place, in the same phisical address. This LLC belonged to Enrico Mango. The following day Rick threw Paul out. Now that is a fact. Paul was left with nothing. Rick and Chris were so arrogant they figured things would just go on as normal.

    Rick claimed that Paul was a drunk, and addicted to amphetamines, and yes, he told everyone Paul was a pedophile. When Paul opened a small BJJ school in the same neigborhood, and was going to keep the name of "West Side" he sent out an e-mail stating Paul Thomas was "inapropriate with young people." he sent this e-mail out to some 1,300 people. He didn't sign it himself, he signed it with the names of Aaron Pene, Brandon Mullins, Alex Cisne, Chris Mango, and Kenny Burke. We know this is true because Rick confessed it while under oath. Now that is a fact.

    All the kids that Rick claimed Paul abused continue to train with Paul. Now Rick is having criminal charges placed on him and he is being sued. Could it be that the Mango's got ahold of this video and made up a bunch of lies in an attempt to make Paul look like the bad guy. Maybe they thought that if they could make Paul look like some kind of degenerate, people wouldn't see them as the theives they are.

    Just a thought.
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    Originally Posted by chrissybjj
    Look, there is no debate as to whether Paul Thomas is an ass-hole. He definetly is...was what he did wrong? Definetly.

    However, the story just doesn't make sense. Everyone knows that Paul produces these really bad ass kids all the time. Caine Menn is only one of them. Paul also has Kai Holland, and Logan "Skunk" Ortega. He's produced some little girls who seem like they're pretty bad-ass too: Tayler Rosario, Eeden Sharaby, and Rachel Aquino.

    In the 90's Paul was still into judo. He started coaching Seth Daniels when he was 12years old. When seth was a kid, Paul had him winning the junior nationals in judo. Seth has done well in judo, sombo, jiu-jitsu and mma. Anthony Hoff started training with him when he was 10, he won a bunch of junior national titles. Daniel Gomez was 12 when Paul started coaching him and he went on to win nationals in judo. All of those kids are in their thirties now. And, while all would agree that Paul is an ass-hole, none of them would say that he was abusive.

    So why would Paul take a 16 (in fact, actually 18) year old kid, who had no experience in grappling, and have Caine choke him out? When he normally makes kids into bad-asses? Nick Schultz was 16 when Paul started coaching him. And by the time he was 19 he was a world champion.

    So it's just not his M.O.

    Now this story makes more sense: (keep in mind this is just a theory, i might be wrong) Now there's this guy who obviously hates Paul with a passion. He got a hold of Paul at a bad time. Then, he made up this story to put Paul out of business. He keeps dragging Draculino into this too; not Karl Geis, or Zenik Mantle, or Larry Lunn. He also wants people and parents to think he's some kind of child abuser.

    Now not too many people know this, but Paul Thomas is suing the Mango family for fraud, liable and slander. Now that is a fact. Paul Thomas was suppose to be 50/50 partner with Chris Mango. West Side was the biggest MMA school in Texas and the real estate alone was worth a $1,000,000.

    Enrico Mango (Chris Mango's dad) kept telling Paul and the other employees that West Side was in the red. Brandon Mullins (who was also coached by Paul as a kid) and Paul Thomas began to suspect that their was something wrong. Paul, being the sole owner of the West Side LLC, looked into the matter only to find that the school was making about $30,00 a month. He also found out that Enrico Mango was keeping all of the profits for himself. You see, Paul was so focussed on coaching BJJ and MMA, he didn't have the time to keep up with the schools accounting. "That was Rick's job." That would make Rick Mango a theif. Rick always talks about his ties with the Itallian Mafia. In fact, he seems to be proud of it. Now that is a fact.

    Paul confronted Rick; he told Rick that he would have to put the money back. Paul loved West Side, he also had become very close to the kids and didn't want lose them. He wanted to work things out.

    I guess Rick didn't. Someone went to the comptroller's office, forged Paul's name, and closed his LLC. The same day a new LLC was put in it's place, in the same phisical address. This LLC belonged to Enrico Mango. The following day Rick threw Paul out. Now that is a fact. Paul was left with nothing. Rick and Chris were so arrogant they figured things would just go on as normal.

    Rick claimed that Paul was a drunk, and addicted to amphetamines, and yes, he told everyone Paul was a pedophile. When Paul opened a small BJJ school in the same neigborhood, and was going to keep the name of "West Side" he sent out an e-mail stating Paul Thomas was "inapropriate with young people." he sent this e-mail out to some 1,300 people. He didn't sign it himself, he signed it with the names of Aaron Pene, Brandon Mullins, Alex Cisne, Chris Mango, and Kenny Burke. We know this is true because Rick confessed it while under oath. Now that is a fact.

    All the kids that Rick claimed Paul abused continue to train with Paul. Now Rick is having criminal charges placed on him and he is being sued. Could it be that the Mango's got ahold of this video and made up a bunch of lies in an attempt to make Paul look like the bad guy. Maybe they thought that if they could make Paul look like some kind of degenerate, people wouldn't see them as the theives they are.

    Just a thought.
    08-17-2011, 08:39 PM #212 (permalink) Demonix

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    Originally Posted by chrissybjj
    Look, there is no debate as to whether Paul Thomas is an ass-hole. He definetly is...was what he did wrong? Definetly.

    However, the story just doesn't make sense. Everyone knows that Paul produces these really bad ass kids all the time. Caine Menn is only one of them. Paul also has Kai Holland, and Logan "Skunk" Ortega. He's produced some little girls who seem like they're pretty bad-ass too: Tayler Rosario, Eeden Sharaby, and Rachel Aquino.

    In the 90's Paul was still into judo. He started coaching Seth Daniels when he was 12years old. When seth was a kid, Paul had him winning the junior nationals in judo. Seth has done well in judo, sombo, jiu-jitsu and mma. Anthony Hoff started training with him when he was 10, he won a bunch of junior national titles. Daniel Gomez was 12 when Paul started coaching him and he went on to win nationals in judo. All of those kids are in their thirties now. And, while all would agree that Paul is an ass-hole, none of them would say that he was abusive.

    So why would Paul take a 16 (in fact, actually 18) year old kid, who had no experience in grappling, and have Caine choke him out? When he normally makes kids into bad-asses? Nick Schultz was 16 when Paul started coaching him. And by the time he was 19 he was a world champion.

    So it's just not his M.O.

    Now this story makes more sense: (keep in mind this is just a theory, i might be wrong) Now there's this guy who obviously hates Paul with a passion. He got a hold of Paul at a bad time. Then, he made up this story to put Paul out of business. He keeps dragging Draculino into this too; not Karl Geis, or Zenik Mantle, or Larry Lunn. He also wants people and parents to think he's some kind of child abuser.

    Now not too many people know this, but Paul Thomas is suing the Mango family for fraud, liable and slander. Now that is a fact. Paul Thomas was suppose to be 50/50 partner with Chris Mango. West Side was the biggest MMA school in Texas and the real estate alone was worth a $1,000,000.

    Enrico Mango (Chris Mango's dad) kept telling Paul and the other employees that West Side was in the red. Brandon Mullins (who was also coached by Paul as a kid) and Paul Thomas began to suspect that their was something wrong. Paul, being the sole owner of the West Side LLC, looked into the matter only to find that the school was making about $30,00 a month. He also found out that Enrico Mango was keeping all of the profits for himself. You see, Paul was so focussed on coaching BJJ and MMA, he didn't have the time to keep up with the schools accounting. "That was Rick's job." That would make Rick Mango a theif. Rick always talks about his ties with the Itallian Mafia. In fact, he seems to be proud of it. Now that is a fact.

    Paul confronted Rick; he told Rick that he would have to put the money back. Paul loved West Side, he also had become very close to the kids and didn't want lose them. He wanted to work things out.

    I guess Rick didn't. Someone went to the comptroller's office, forged Paul's name, and closed his LLC. The same day a new LLC was put in it's place, in the same phisical address. This LLC belonged to Enrico Mango. The following day Rick threw Paul out. Now that is a fact. Paul was left with nothing. Rick and Chris were so arrogant they figured things would just go on as normal.

    Rick claimed that Paul was a drunk, and addicted to amphetamines, and yes, he told everyone Paul was a pedophile. When Paul opened a small BJJ school in the same neigborhood, and was going to keep the name of "West Side" he sent out an e-mail stating Paul Thomas was "inapropriate with young people." he sent this e-mail out to some 1,300 people. He didn't sign it himself, he signed it with the names of Aaron Pene, Brandon Mullins, Alex Cisne, Chris Mango, and Kenny Burke. We know this is true because Rick confessed it while under oath. Now that is a fact.

    All the kids that Rick claimed Paul abused continue to train with Paul. Now Rick is having criminal charges placed on him and he is being sued. Could it be that the Mango's got ahold of this video and made up a bunch of lies in an attempt to make Paul look like the bad guy. Maybe they thought that if they could make Paul look like some kind of degenerate, people wouldn't see them as the theives they are.

    Just a thought.
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    Paul makes a good case about being a scum bag. Paul Thomas left this on my blog earlier today.

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    first of all "pahndina" you are girl and shouldn't be trying to fight. so you understand nothing about real fighting. tell me, pandora have you've choked a man out, knocked a man out, lived and trained in brazil? what are you a blue-belt? (no insult to other blue-belts)

    you need to do like other women and just shut--up and listen.
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    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
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    Things are really coming along nicely at the school.
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    I heard that Ted Stickle had some type of fall out with the Mango family. Does anyone know if Ted Stickle is still teaching at Barra Gracie in Katy?
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