5/31/2005 6:15pm, #1
DBMA Kali Tudo (tm) (longish read)
(Admins: I wasn't sure where to put this thread - feel free to move it as you see fit)
Guro Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny has written a phenomenal article to coincide with the release of the DBMA Kali Tudo (tm) material. He sent the article out via 'eskrima-digest' so I don't think he'll be chafed to find I've posted it here. It addresses the general topic of "If Kali (Eskrima/Arnis/ad naseum) empty-hand is so **** hot, why don't we see it in the Octagon/Cage/ad naseum?"
Those of you who know me, also know I'm about as close to being a Dog Brothers nutrider as it gets without actually being one. That notwithstanding, I think if you read the article you'll at least be a little more open minded to seeing what there is to be offered. As a side note, I was in LA a couple of weeks ago for the DBMA short impact weapons seminar and Guro Crafty was kind enough to show us some of the Kali Tudo (tm) material...it blew my mind (and as Guro Crafty was kind enough to demonstrate on me, I can attest that there is some legitimate pain that can be induced using the material).
In the article he addresses such issues as "well, this stuff is for the street and therefore too deadly for the Octagon" and...well, it's probably easier just to read the article.
Originally Posted by Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny
Last edited by poidog; 5/31/2005 6:39pm at .Kuha'o - Kela - Koa
5/31/2005 6:37pm, #2
Long read; good for work.
Disclaimer: I know very little about MA. Moving on.
Some of the arguments presented could, I think, be very valid, but oftentimes they were presented without proper supporting evidence or, more often, explanation. I'd like to know more details. I also tend to dislike treatises like this because I think they try to fit MA and MMA into some kind of higher philosophical or sociological pyramid, for lack of a better term. I find that perplexing.
'Young male ritual hierarchical fighting' may sound academic, but it's a shaky ground to place people who train various forms of MA. I can't think of the last time I sparred or (will presumably) competed in a tourney for in order to establish myself socially or find a mate. In fact, I avoid talk of MA like the plague, esp. among women.
I forgot my point, but overall I find this piece frustrating in that, although very long, contains not-so-much pertinent information, as far as I could gather with my massive headache.
5/31/2005 6:54pm, #3Originally Posted by CamusKuha'o - Kela - Koa
6/01/2005 6:54am, #4
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to poidog again.
:zicon_vik Thanks for posting this poidog.
6/01/2005 7:39am, #5
6/06/2005 6:56pm, #6
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Now I REALLY want to see a Kali fighter in the cage. New fighting revolution what?Rad ki was made up by adolescents. I do not know who created trad ki but it was not made by adolescents. your an ass dude, Im not being a little bitch you are, your past the level of a bitch. Your beyond Bitch! If im easting my time with ki and psi, then your wasting time to prove frauds, and all **** like that! -theoutsider
Kick boxing is ok, but don't expect do beat a man like Rickson Gracie with that. You need a real martial art. You need Xing Yi Quan. -Emptyflower
The splits, how ever, have a few martial uses. Doing the splits for me, can put my fists in testical strike range.
dont ignore the Art for the Martial or else your just kick boxing
Yes i am serious, there are kicks that can block punches. we have them in Moo duk kwan.
I want to learn how to use them in case my arm gets broken in a fight.
what would you have me do? if my arm gets broke, not block punches? -sempi-stone
6/08/2005 9:19am, #7
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7/27/2005 12:15am, #8
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I just read this article in the magazine, and I happen to agree with Crafty Dog that it's about time that combat styles and MMA found common ground. I've studied "too deadly" styles and MMA, and competed. I think both have something to offer and that both have worthwhile strengths and sad weaknesses. The MMA competitor should have 360 awareness, weapons ability, dirtyfighting, defenses for same, and multiple opponent moves and tactics. The too deadly guys and gals need to spar, even if that means wearing equipment or pulling a move short. They need to experience resisting opponents, espicially ones who aggressively come after you, no matter what.
I'm intrigued, and would like to order this Kali Tudo tape, I just don't know if I'll have the money.
7/27/2005 5:34pm, #9
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Great read. I too want to get a hold of this DVD.
9/13/2005 12:52pm, #10
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Ype, good article, even if it was intrented to market the DVD. I plan on picking it up. DBMA videos always have something good in them.