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    Quote Originally Posted by AFS
    You don't see Kata Guruma in the Nage no Kata Style ( Standing up ) very often in fights.
    Examples which come to mind was one of Mark Muizingers throws at the Sydney olympics, if my memory serves me right.

    The seated Kata Guruma ( or Laats' style, named after the Belgian Judo player who 'invented' this technique) is much more commonly used.
    I reckon it is a good postion to follow into groundwork when done properly.

    For self-defense : Wouldn't use the seated one, the standing one is important to be familiar with.

    that's what I was thinking of. Couldn't remember what the **** it was called other than "drop" kata guruma.

    Figures you'd be the one to remember that belgian guy!

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    I've used/ seen them used acouple times, worked fairly well since its not as common a move as other takedowns. Like Osiris said, it's one of the basic techniques, and we usually ended up drilling in it in almost every single practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris
    Its a standard wrestling technique. Not the most common in actual usage, but every wrestler knows and drills it. BASIC technique.

    Yeah, but not a real high-percentage move. If someone hits a fireman's on ya, you can pick up your pride at the door on the way out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry_Spastic
    In a private conversation with Lord Asia (Exalted be He) I asked Lord Asia (Exalted be He) whether fireman's carries were practical for self defence. Lord Asia (Exalted be He) responded by saying that they were, as they allowed a smaller person to drop a bigger person on their head.

    I can only envision that fireman's carries would be practical for SELF DEFENCE only if you are very quick or if you were being brutal and had to finish off someone you had just beaten the bejesus out of because their deadly SCARS stylings put you in fear of your life.

    Whaddya think?
    Angry_Spastic I could see practicality of someone tries to club you with a vertical stcik attack and you tuck in close enough to him to avoid the direct blow of the stick and flip him over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnp
    The arm drag to firemans was my strongest takedown as a high school and collegiate wrestler. .

    Was your strongest takedown?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wakinonioi
    Was your strongest takedown?!
    Well yeah... that and the 4 whole cloves of garlic I ate before every match.

    Many Texas wrestlers used to reach out with one hand to my shoulder or head as if they were measuring the distance. When they did this I would grab the reaching wrist with my cross hand, yank their arm across their body and step in to the fireman's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnp
    Well yeah... that and the 4 whole cloves of garlic I ate before every match.

    Many Texas wrestlers used to reach out with one hand to my shoulder or head as if they were measuring the distance. When they did this I would grab the reaching wrist with my cross hand, yank their arm across their body and step in to the fireman's.

    Whoa, whoa, whoa...say again? :eusa_naug

    You were pulling their arm in front of them and stepping into a fireman's?

    And you were holding their wrist? Just the wrist?

    Cudju 'splain dat 'gain?
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    There are nowadays several variations of kata guruma ( or fireman's carry ).
    Not just simply seated and standing.
    On the knees, turned inwards or turned outwards, unilateral grip, crossgrip ,own neck in partner's armpit ( whilst standing so similar to the seated one).
    Basically any arm combination you can think of. And I think I know what jnp means.

    These are judo variations on that throw and most of them would requiere a gi.
    But I am sure that some of them would work in wrestling as well.

    Given that most of the variations seem to have a 'russian' background, they seem to come from Sambo originally.
    But work well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFS
    There are nowadays

    ("nowadays"?!) several variations of kata guruma ( or fireman's carry ).

    These are judo variations on that throw and most of them would requiere a gi.
    But I am sure that some of them would work in wrestling as well.
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    Hang on. You are "sure"? I thought you said this was your bread and butter? What's the deal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFS
    .

    Given that most of the variations seem to have a 'russian' background, they seem to come from Sambo originally.
    But work well.

    "seem to"? "come from Sambo riginally"?!??????????????????????????




    I'm starting to smell BS on your whole wrestling background, champ.
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