Thread: On new 'styles' being created...
5/21/2005 5:00pm, #11
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Good one CKK,
A 50 year old student may not be able to do what a 6 year old student can do; however, he or she can and will still learn and reach the level of Black Belt. Also, we work with many students with physical limitations; therefore, the style is modified so that the student can still reach their goal of Black Belt.
5/21/2005 5:11pm, #12
Thanks alot.I've actually been wanting to create a tread about these guys in the Sport-karate world.Just go check for yourselfs people.You will find many who do the same as Don "fatso" Rodrigues.He's not unique.It's the only world where you will find 20 years old with 3 rd or 4th Dan's.Usually ,because there the son's and daughters of self-proclaimed karate Master's.
5/21/2005 9:39pm, #13Originally Posted by Edge
I think most styles can adapt themselves to individuals. Heck, I´m going to say that the individual should adapt the style to his own characteristics. People with physicall disbilities need, perhaps, to do so more than people without them.
Still, I get your point and where you want to go.
5/21/2005 11:06pm, #14Originally Posted by Edge
i ain't sayin it's happening, mind you. just that it bears consideration. it's a matter of what importance and meaning you assign to a black belt.
5/22/2005 12:47am, #15Originally Posted by DubhGhaill
5/22/2005 10:14am, #16
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And those are great points guys. Any good instructor should be able to tailor towards the needs of the individual. However, Oki-ryu is just too easy to pick on: I.e.
its OKI if you are 6: you can still have a blackbelt
its OKI if you are 50: so can you
its OKI if you are handicapped: here try one one...
anyways, joking aside: just because the instructor tailors the needs to his students, does that mean he should make up a whole new name for his style?
How much synthesis is really going on when ppl claim to have black belts in x number of styles?
Why are there a thousand Karate styles out there, 5 kabillion TKD, 6 megatrillion kung fu schools and only a few of variations on Kickboxing (muay thai, american, french)?
What I'm getting at is that instructors are making things too complicated, by making up a new name for their style for marketing purposes. They are trying to make ppl think that they have somehow created some new way of kicking ass when, guess what? its all been fucking done before. I have a hard time believing that they have somehow conceived of even a new concept, principle, technique, motto, credo, philosophy or anything that is remotely close to original.
There I'm done, I feel better now.
5/22/2005 10:30am, #17
As I said, I understood you´re point and where you wanted to get, as shown in your post.
Still, I wanted to point out that everybody need to tailor the style to his physical atributes. Does heavywieght boxers and lightweight boxers fight exactly the same? No. Still they have the same style.
I also wanted to point out that physically disabled people can perfomr good at fighting, altrough they are at disavantage and probably need extra effort, that is all.
That said, one of the purposes of this site is to fight those who make themselves master of something "new" when they create an art who is exactly the same they been taught. It has to do with the "fighting frauds" part.
And I also agree with you, I found it hard to beleive that people with a zillion black belst in a zillion MAs have at least a minumun grasp of them.
5/22/2005 2:25pm, #18
Originally Posted by Edge
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I've met 50 year old guys who could calmly beat the crap out of the average 20 year old, and I once met an _awesome_ blind judoka.
5/22/2005 2:36pm, #19Originally Posted by Lights Out
5/22/2005 2:47pm, #20
You know what happens when people make their own styles? Shorthand Empty Hand happens. And that makes the Baby Mas Oyama cry.DIDN'T YOU KNOW?! The Chinese know everything! And they knew it 4,000 years before YOU did!
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