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  1. Bearcat is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupacabra
    I was making a generalization
    Which is exactly the problem. You are trying to draw conclusions based on your anecdotal experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chupacabra
    they "slippery slope" to which I am reffereing has nothing to do with the quality of the art, but it has everything to do with the overcommercialization and money eventually becoming king over quality instruction.
    Supply & demand determine the price of instruction. It has nothing to do with "Mcdojoization." If the guy is a shitty instructor, people are going to find out & he is going to lose students. If not, then those students deserve to get ripped off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chupacabra
    So what does all that mean?
    absolutely fucking nothing, I was just bitching about a school
    Well, thanks for clearing that up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chupacabra
    oh,
    In case no one has told you yet,
    stfu noob, no one told you to post in my thread.
    When I start giving a **** about what you think about me posting on "your" threads, I'll be sure to PM you immediately.
  2. Te No Kage! is offline
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    Posted On:
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    There's a lot of BJJ in the Atlanta area, off the top of my head Alliance, Tiger, Renzo, Velocity which means that they're probably all charging about the same, unless that's a lot more than Bull was charging you.

    At any rate, I think it's all too expensive and the main reason why I will probably never train at a "real" BJJ school. I'd stick with Judo, the poor man's BJJ.
    "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." -A. Lincoln

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  3. It is Fake is offline
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    Posted On:
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    Okay Remember, Mcdojo does not equal bad.

    There are signs of a school being a Mcdojo. You don't need to participate to know this about a school. You need to participate to know if the quality of the teaching is good or Bullshido (which is bad).
    Last edited by It is Fake; 5/20/2005 4:16pm at .
  4. Beneath Contempt is offline

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    5/20/2005 4:44pm

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    I know what Chupa is getting at.

    Look at the Lloyd Irvin programme:

    http://www.lloydirvin.com/adult/bjj/schedule.html

    If you took out all the references to BJJ and all the names - most people would think "First Class McDojo". It's all there - the Black Belt Club, the ranks within ranks, the Little Ninjas class, the accelerated promotion scheme and so on.

    But because of the BJJ link, and the presence of a lot of proven fighters, there is the tendancy to want to look over all that.

    Now, I don't begrudge any professional martial artist earning a living - regardless of what style they teach (everyone has to put food on the table), it'd not a matter of money - only the attitude of the teacher and whether or not the product is good or not.

    I have no doubt that the Lloyd Irvin school is a good one, but the presentation is very much in line with a great many other martial arts schools in the world, some good - but most bad.
    Last edited by Beneath Contempt; 5/21/2005 2:40pm at .
  5. Hannibal is offline

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    Chupa, forget about it.

    Just forget about that place - don't go back there and find something else.

    $125- a month for training ? **** that for a joke. Its too expensive. $125- a month is too much to pay. You can pay that much if you like but there is no way I would.

    If its grappling that you want look for a Judo school. Or else at least another martial arts place with reasonable prices. Hit the boxing/kickboxing places and keep an eye out for any Kyokushin dojo's.You can't go wrong if you stick to those styles. There nice and easy.
    Hannibal: The sworn enemy of dishonest politicians, source of entertainment on Bullshido and newly appointed Office Linebacker. Terry Tait ain't got **** on me !!!!
  6. JohnnyCache is offline
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    Markets do vary hannibal - there's parts of the US where 100/month or so is the going rate.
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
  7. Hannibal is offline

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    What amazes me is you guys say this school is okay because they teach BJJ. If it was any other style you guys would slam it doen hard and cal it a mcdojo.

    BJJ or no BJJ $125- a month is a rip off. Your better off training somewhere else.
    Hannibal: The sworn enemy of dishonest politicians, source of entertainment on Bullshido and newly appointed Office Linebacker. Terry Tait ain't got **** on me !!!!
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    Chupa, that is a bit expensive for the Atlanta market for an add-on program at an assumed belt-factory run by a purple belt with 3hr/week classes. Barring an amazing purple belt that is just trying to come up and doing whatever it takes, I would think that you have better options elsewhere in Alpharetta, Marietta, Roswell, Cumming, downtown, etc for both price and quality of teaching.
  9. Student is offline

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    where does the purple belt get his bjj training? you might just want to take lessons there if possible.
  10. Knightmare is offline

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    Is it Omar Lira?
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