5/16/2005 2:53pm, #11
I'll Add the one statistic that no one else added.
That is what seems to be missing Gwinn.
"When the offender was a current or
former husband or boyfriend, about
three-fourths of all victimizations
were not reported to police (77% of
completed rapes, 77% of attempted
rapes, and 75% of sexual assaults
When the offender was a friend or
acquaintance, 61% of completed
rapes, 71% of attempted rapes, and
82% of sexual assaults were not
he offender was a stranger,
54% of completed rapes, 44% of
attempted rapes, and 34% of sexual
assaults were not reported to the
In other words you have a higher chance of getting away with rape if you know the person.
This is why they are "pushing" the known person. That is the flaw in anti-rape training. These people are teaching you to defend against the lowest statistical probability. We all say we could kick or kill someone when fighting. Well the same can't be said for a friend, husband, father, etc. That adds a whole new dynamic on the SD situation. It is easier to hurt/kill a nobody as compared to a friend, relative or aquaintance.
5/16/2005 3:16pm, #12
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One thing I think we may want to take into consideration is WHEN this article was written. 1984. We have to consider how rape was being viewed at that time. Did studies exist at that time to support the fact that most rapes are perpetrated by a victim's acquaintance? Was this common knowledge at this time?
I don't know the answers as i was only 14 at the time and rape studies and statistics were the furthest thing from my mind.
Personally, I understand that the some of what the Castros were doing was flawed, but compared to many other Womens Self Defense courses I've witnessed over the years, this one at least seems to be attempting a relatively realistic and practical approach. They are not trying to teach these women a martial art, but how to carry themselves with confidence so as not to appear as an easy mark, be aware of their surroundings, and some things they can do to protect themselves in the event of an attack.
Does this program still exist?
5/16/2005 3:20pm, #13Originally Posted by It is Fake??
If the rapist knows the victim and the victim reports the crime it much more likely that rapist is convicted.
This is how it is in sweden anyway, I would quess that its the same everywere.
5/16/2005 5:25pm, #14Originally Posted by Cato
I'm a regular Sweden nutrider, and this is one of the many reasons why.
5/17/2005 8:33am, #15
The Castros' students are taught to recognize what a would-be attacker might look like. They are instructed not to take people at face value.....
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5/17/2005 9:36am, #16Originally Posted by bunyip
Originally Posted by bunyip
Is anyone actually saying "defeat an attacker? I thought the emphasis was on escape."Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez
5/17/2005 9:39am, #17
"I am a therapist who took your four-hour workshop with my 16-year-old daughter after a serial rapist started stalking our neighborhood. We left feeling sure that we had the skills to defuse most situations as well as to fight off an attacker if necessary. I never knew we had so much strength!"
Damn!"Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez
5/17/2005 9:50am, #18
This one looks better
Instructor Bio -
Erin Weed's dear friend, Shannon McNamara, was murdered while fighting off an attacker in her apartment in June 2001. Having never taken a self defense class, Erin attended the AWSDA conference in August 2001. Soon after becoming certified to teach, she started "Girls Fight Back" women's self defense.
Instructor Bio -
Patricia Warren is a 5th dan judo black belt; Qualified group fitness trainer; Rape crisis workshop instructor at girls high schools;
Still the concerns that have been raised... How effective is a short class? I imagine better than nothing."Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez
5/17/2005 10:17am, #19Originally Posted by patfromlogan
Classes like these should teach more AWARENESS, via Gavin De Becker's The Gift of Fear, rather than techniques.
5/17/2005 5:07pm, #20Originally Posted by Cato
In your country yes. These statistics come from the US Department of Justice. Which means no in my case. The statistics already show a majority of rapes (US only) are by aquaintances and 77 percent aren't reported. So, a little over 55% go unreported for stranger, Almost 80% aquaintance rape goes unreported. How is it the other way around.
So, no, I got it right in regards to my country.