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  1. Freddy Wong is offline

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    Traditional Wing Chun has Grappling techniques...Yip Man secretly passed them to GM William Cheung.

    From the ancent world wing chun already have both stand up and grapping skill-we called . FIGHTING SYSTEM. for example: balance are the most important in fighting at all time. when you grapple with your opponent your gravity are based on the ground not your feet, but your feet can exchange or escape the harm from your opponent, so that's mean position(blind side)is a key of winning position. opening-strike as much as you can when your opponent have opening or you may set him a trap to creating more target, and make sure your striking point are human meridians or called (death touch)
    elbow- watch the leading elbow at all time.eg-when your opponent use right handed you see the left and vice-versa cross arm- pin the arm from blind side and put your opponent off balance

    for my view all of you are need some rooms for growth up...otherwise you guys are only felt in the term "fight" for your whole life. you will never improve to a higher level with your kung fu. kulo billy you try to see www.cheungswingchun.com to find out FIGHTING SYSTEM-these system are yip man passed on to william.but for me both traditional/modify are good and efficient anyway!

    traditional wing chun does have ground fighting. and i don't think you understand what my comment above....{ FIGHTING SYSTEM ARE DEVELOP BY WING CHUN ANCENSOR. THEY BOTH CAN FIGHT ON STAND UP AND ON THE GROUND. JUST DEPENDING ON HOW SMART YOU USE THE TECHNIQUES}GOT IT?

    If you guys want to learn the real & traditional wing chun, especially the deadly wing chun grappling skills, call me in HK at 62732230. I charge $500 US per hour/per head plus all necessary expenses including travelling & hotel fees.
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    and i don't think you understand what my comment above....
    You got that right.

    **The most miraculous power that can verifiably be attributed to "chi" is its ability to be all things to virtually all people, depending on what version of the superstition they are attempting to defend at any given moment.**
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
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    It's idiots like you, freddy, who give wing chun such a bad rep.

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    WHERE'S SANSOO WITH HIS IMAGES?
    "Training = pain." - I said that.

    PizDoff when drunk: "I'm actually MOST pissed that my target for the evening got drink...then I gave her my Bullshido Canada hoodie like a gentleman because she was outside with not much on...did I mention she barfed twice when I got our jackets...steaming barf is kinda fascinating..." - PizDoff.
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    Freddy, the moron, why don't you and William Cheung simply say that traditional Wing Chun has "Egg-Standing" Kung Fu. Yeah, it's Egg Standing!

    Everyone knows that William Cheung loves to stand on eggs and perform his egg-standing ability. He really feels proud evey time he stands on eggs.

    Checkout his website and click Egg Standing under Photo Galleries.

    http://www.cheungswingchun.com/WWCKFAindex.html
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    Freddy WRONG- William Chung got his butt kick by Leung Tings student. He was taken to te ground alright.
    (Guys please dont cofuse me with Freddy WRong here BTW)

    "Do what thou wilt is the whole of the Law"
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    The truth is William Cheung got his butt kicked by a Leung Ting's grand student.
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    Freddy Wong- LMAO at you.

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    I like his rates.... very reasonable.
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    I poked around on the website, but could not find anything about grappling, either while standing or on the ground. I did find the following things, though, which you may find interesting:

    http://www.cheungswingchun.com/Eggs.html
    http://www.cheungswingchun.com/FireWalking.html
    'nuff said


    There is a rather large "Animations" section. Unfortunately, the animations are waaay too fast. I think this is a result of the graphics files, rather than the techniques. ;> Anyway, here are my thoughts on some of them.

    1) http://www.cheungswingchun.com/Animation%20Pages/Animation6.html
    2) http://www.cheungswingchun.com/Animation%20Pages/Animation7.html
    3) http://www.cheungswingchun.com/Animation%20Pages/Animation9.html
    1&2 - Whoa! Takedown counters! The first two look like the same technique. Unfortunately, I can't tell what the guy is trying to do, because the animation sucks. That's ok, because the attacker sucks, too. He has NO idea how to shoot in. I think he's coming in way to high. I can't even see where he's trying to grab a leg. Maybe he is trying to "grapple" for the leg with the intent of pulling it up off the ground while remaining standing. That might explain why he is stading so upright.
    3 - This looks similar to a sprawl. I think the attacker's technique is flawed, but even from that position, he still might be able to take the guy down.

    http://www.cheungswingchun.com/Animation%20Pages/Animation12.html
    Whoa! A bridge from the mount! I couldn't believe it. I started to get a little more optomistic...

    ...then... I saw these techniques...

    http://www.cheungswingchun.com/Animation%20Pages/Animation14.html
    Bang! You're dead.

    http://www.cheungswingchun.com/Animation%20Pages/Animation16.html
    Props to the defender for recognizing the existance of grapplers. The attacker, though, (not surprisingly) really sucks at takedowns. I wonder how good that head-push would work if the attacker dropped his level (bend knees, keep back straight, head up), stepped in and went to the knee (grapplers/wrestlers know what I mean), and perhaps most importantly, set the guy up first! Do a jab. Snap the head. Do something. Don't just shoot in. For the TMAs, that's like trying to lead with a spinning kick. Not a good idea.

    http://www.cheungswingchun.com/Animation%20Pages/Animation17.html
    "Now serving Number 2... Number 2?"
    Those attackers must have been star pupils in kindergarten. It looks like they REALLY learned how to take turns. :D

    ...Lots of blindfolded techniques... <sigh>

    http://www.cheungswingchun.com/Animation%20Pages/Animation21.html
    Props to the defender on a good elbow! ...Seriously! :)

    In general, I can see some use in training blindfolded in order to teach one sensitivity. It seems like you would have to be "attached" to your opponent for this to work, though.

    (Side note - Have any of you seen the Bank of America commercial where the female blackbelt kicks a dojo-full of students' asses? Then, she walks out of class... using her blind person's cane?!? Yeesh! Gimme' a break.)

    http://www.cheungswingchun.com/Animation%20Pages/Animation26.html
    Oh, yeah! That's what *I'm* talkin' about! High kick me, mo-fo?? You goin' down! :) I'm glad to see they teach that.

    Overall - After searching through the site, I was finally able to find some techniques that address grappling. Unfortunately, it looked like most of the people doing the attacking (takedowns) really sucked. (That's understandable.) I would like to see how well these techniques work against someone who knows how to shoot in properly. I would also like to see how they handle someone who clinches. Finally, it is good that they showed the bridge from the mount. Everybody should learn that. If that's all they teach, though, I think their students will still be in trouble if they go to the ground. Bridging is effective... sometimes. It is much harder to do if the guy on top has a wider base with his knees, "has his hooks in" (feet hooking the inside of the other guy's legs), or has a high mount (up near the shoulders). In these situations, the guy in the mount will need more than one technique.

    So... I was surpised to actually find some traces of grappling/ground fighting. I just don't know how much is there. (I suspect not much.) Regardless, there is NO WAY I would pay $500/hour/person to learn it. Heck, you could probably get one of the Gracies cheaper than that.




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