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  1. Blad3 is offline

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    http://www.dai-sifu.com/daisifu-com/video/UFC%20Nic%20vs%20Johnny.mpg

    Basically, from what I can see:

    WT person tries to use WT on several occasions, fails (that's to say he gets grappled or punched) and then resorts to rabbit punches, maybe some hook punches to no effect. The "UFC" fighter eventually goes to the ground, the WT passes his legs (not the guard) and then ground and pounds, or hits repeatedly whilst in a type of mount, the "UFC" nic fighter in a very MMA or "UFC" fashion (from a type of sidemount.) That means he uses MMA/grappling with some basic punches used in basic MMA or the UFC. He wins though, which is a good thing for him. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

    What are your comments and opinions (they would be much apprecaited)?

    There is also one of two women fighting - the same thing happens, WT is attepmted, fails then resort to something not WT (albeit possibly a little similar to WT in some minor respects) then goes for a mount and a "UFC" style submission with strikes:

    http://www.dai-sifu.com/video/UFC%20Elif%20vs%20Johanne.mpg
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    Posted On:
    3/07/2003 5:28am


     

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    Blade, I will repeat what I said in previous posts: "pure" WT is not adequate for a prolonged fight, it's a set of principles and tools that (a) allows you to attack quickly (b) can be applied in other MA.

    As for point (a), WT works as an "emergency" attack and it's aim is to dispatch/invalidate the opponenet without an actual confrontation: for this reason it only works if you attack/react before the other guy attacks; if you wait the attack, WT stance and method is not the best, I would recommend to kickboxing/MT/boxing stance and methodology

    On the other hand for point(b), WT helps to develop certain skills, as more awareness of body mechanics, sensitivity etc, which can be applied in other arts, so you won't "see" them: for example with WT I greatly improved my cross, which has never been too strong; i.e. in sparring I will still do kickboxing, but applying the skills I am learning in WT.
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    3/07/2003 5:50am


     Style: Aikido and Judo

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    Blade, the links dont seem to work.

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    Thus the wise win before the fight, while the ignorant fight to win." -O Sensei Ueshiba
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    Posted On:
    3/07/2003 6:18am


     

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    First link doesn't work.

    In the women's fight? I see WC working just fine for the first couple seconds she's using it. I see a straightblast and WC style punches. The problem is that WC style punches have no power and often rely on the point of the hand(The little knuckle) to inflict damage. A bare knuckle punch has a stunning quality and makes the straightblast applicable. Boxing gloves are meant to keep your knuckles from contact with the opponents face, for your safety mostly.

    Now, I'll be the first to admit that WC is not a perfect nor anywhere near complete style. Any principle or theory based style will have exceptions somewhere. If you find an or opening or something, but it goes against WC principles, should you ignore it? Of course not.
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    Posted On:
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    Wing Chun/Tsun (hehe whatever, I'm not a leung ting biatch!). Stance work is all about when you're close in and the '**** has hit the fan'. When you're at distance you move free and dynamic. Close in, you ground (as in sink into your stance). Anything goes, what works, WORKS! thats all that there is to it! Dont be fooled by the BS.
    You go to the ground, you get position and you POUND, period thats all. It is still Wing Chun, get a good teacher if you're interested and learn, if not its all good :) .


    Anyway I probably get flamed for my views but it's all cool.
  6. The Wastrel is offline
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    http://www.dai-sifu.com/video/UFC%20Nic%20vs%20Johnny.mpg

    That should work

    **The most miraculous power that can verifiably be attributed to "chi" is its ability to be all things to virtually all people, depending on what version of the superstition they are attempting to defend at any given moment.**
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog
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    3/07/2003 12:24pm

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    Well, as far as I can tell, neither 'UFC Nick' or 'Johnny' were using anything but some sloppy kickboxing (hands at chest level, lots of flurries that did zero damage). If that was WT, I'll have to take your word on it. I saw one decent low kick and one right jab that looked like it had any power behind it. Neither one of them knew how to clinch effectively either. My advice to those two? Don't enter any Muay Thai or NHB contests. You'll just get embarassed in front of your friends.

    Plus, what was up with the shin guards? Definite loss of cool points there.

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    Posted On:
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    those fukking links don't work.
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    those fukking links don't work.

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    ok Wastrel that one worked, what a crappy vid....
    when the guy with the side mount type ground and pound was hitting the guy below, he used some gay ass punches without harnessing the power of his hips

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