Wing Tsun vs "UFC" Nic - The Correct working link

**Blad3** · Posted On: 3/07/2003 3:48am

http://www.dai-sifu.com/daisifu-com/video/UFC%20Nic%20vs%20Johnny.mpg

Basically, from what I can see:

WT person tries to use WT on several occasions, fails (that's to say he gets grappled or punched) and then resorts to rabbit punches, maybe some hook punches to no effect. The "UFC" fighter eventually goes to the ground, the WT passes his legs (not the guard) and then ground and pounds, or hits repeatedly whilst in a type of mount, the "UFC" nic fighter in a very MMA or "UFC" fashion (from a type of sidemount.) That means he uses MMA/grappling with some basic punches used in basic MMA or the UFC. He wins though, which is a good thing for him. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

What are your comments and opinions (they would be much apprecaited)?

There is also one of two women fighting - the same thing happens, WT is attepmted, fails then resort to something not WT (albeit possibly a little similar to WT in some minor respects) then goes for a mount and a "UFC" style submission with strikes:

http://www.dai-sifu.com/video/UFC%20Elif%20vs%20Johanne.mpg

**bncwd** · Posted On: 3/07/2003 4:28am

Blade, I will repeat what I said in previous posts: "pure" WT is not adequate for a prolonged fight, it's a set of principles and tools that (a) allows you to attack quickly (b) can be applied in other MA.

As for point (a), WT works as an "emergency" attack and it's aim is to dispatch/invalidate the opponenet without an actual confrontation: for this reason it only works if you attack/react before the other guy attacks; if you wait the attack, WT stance and method is not the best, I would recommend to kickboxing/MT/boxing stance and methodology

On the other hand for point(b), WT helps to develop certain skills, as more awareness of body mechanics, sensitivity etc, which can be applied in other arts, so you won't "see" them: for example with WT I greatly improved my cross, which has never been too strong; i.e. in sparring I will still do kickboxing, but applying the skills I am learning in WT.

**Kensai** · Posted On: 3/07/2003 4:50am

Blade, the links dont seem to work.

"Those who are skilled in combat do not become angered,
those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid.
Thus the wise win before the fight, while the ignorant fight to win." -O Sensei Ueshiba

**Stold2** · Posted On: 3/07/2003 5:18am

First link doesn't work.

In the women's fight? I see WC working just fine for the first couple seconds she's using it. I see a straightblast and WC style punches. The problem is that WC style punches have no power and often rely on the point of the hand(The little knuckle) to inflict damage. A bare knuckle punch has a stunning quality and makes the straightblast applicable. Boxing gloves are meant to keep your knuckles from contact with the opponents face, for your safety mostly.

Now, I'll be the first to admit that WC is not a perfect nor anywhere near complete style. Any principle or theory based style will have exceptions somewhere. If you find an or opening or something, but it goes against WC principles, should you ignore it? Of course not.

**Chiburi** · Posted On: 3/07/2003 9:02am

Wing Chun/Tsun (hehe whatever, I'm not a leung ting biatch!). Stance work is all about when you're close in and the '**** has hit the fan'. When you're at distance you move free and dynamic. Close in, you ground (as in sink into your stance). Anything goes, what works, WORKS! thats all that there is to it! Dont be fooled by the BS.
You go to the ground, you get position and you POUND, period thats all. It is still Wing Chun, get a good teacher if you're interested and learn, if not its all good :) .

Anyway I probably get flamed for my views but it's all cool.

**The Wastrel** · Posted On: 3/07/2003 10:49am

http://www.dai-sifu.com/video/UFC%20Nic%20vs%20Johnny.mpg

That should work

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**Vargas** · Posted On: 3/07/2003 11:24am

Well, as far as I can tell, neither 'UFC Nick' or 'Johnny' were using anything but some sloppy kickboxing (hands at chest level, lots of flurries that did zero damage). If that was WT, I'll have to take your word on it. I saw one decent low kick and one right jab that looked like it had any power behind it. Neither one of them knew how to clinch effectively either. My advice to those two? Don't enter any Muay Thai or NHB contests. You'll just get embarassed in front of your friends.

Plus, what was up with the shin guards? Definite loss of cool points there.

"Go cry about it Vargas. Aren't you late for your shift at McDonald's?"

**jkd_fighter** · Posted On: 3/07/2003 11:48am

those fukking links don't work.

**PizDoff** · Posted On: 3/07/2003 4:43pm

those fukking links don't work.

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**PizDoff** · Posted On: 3/07/2003 4:50pm

ok Wastrel that one worked, what a crappy vid....
when the guy with the side mount type ground and pound was hitting the guy below, he used some gay ass punches without harnessing the power of his hips

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Let me introduce you to my friends: Hand, Elbow and Knee.