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  1. JohnnyCache is offline
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    Yeah, I know that's what it translates too, but from your "god only knows what they bring in" comment, I take it mean you actually use a real sword in the class, not a wooden one?
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MEGA JESUS-SAN
    I haven't been around to see the state of kenjutsu in America, but here we do it like men. We suit up in partial kendo gear and go at it.
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    I assume you use shinai for these bouts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
    Yeah, I know that's what it translates too, but from your "god only knows what they bring in" comment, I take it mean you actually use a real sword in the class, not a wooden one?
    I was talking about the bullshidojos. Like I said, I never asked to watch a class to find out. I just assumed the instructors didn't know enough to enforce any sort of quality control. There's probably a lot of dangerous rat tail tangs and such.

    I assume you use shinai for these bouts?
    What? We do it like men! Shinken, all the way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MEGA JESUS-SAN
    What? We do it like men! Shinken, all the way!
    Are they blunted? Are blows to poorly-protected areas pulled?
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    Shinken are live blades. I'm obviously the best in my class, seeing as how I'm still around.

    It looks like I'm pretty good with sarcasm too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MEGA JESUS-SAN
    Shinken are live blades. I'm obviously the best in my class, seeing as how I'm still around.

    It looks like I'm pretty good with sarcasm too.
    LOL...

    So seriously, do you folks spar? If so, what equipment do you use?
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    I was serious about the partial kendo gear and (suggested) shinai.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MEGA JESUS-SAN
    I was serious about the partial kendo gear and (suggested) shinai.
    Cool.
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    I'm under the impression that the sword duels of the time were very brief, often consisting of just one attack which resulted in one or both of the participants being either dead or wounded. Considering the importance of pulling off that one succesful attack and/or counter I'd by surprised if they didn't spar with wooden swords. Using bokkens in a sword vs sword scenario is mechanically not far removed from using real swords, as opposed to for example sword vs jo/bo, where a real sword sticks but a bokken slides off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmchairNinja
    I'm under the impression that the sword duels of the time were very brief, often consisting of just one attack which resulted in one or both of the participants being either dead or wounded. Considering the importance of pulling off that one succesful attack and/or counter I'd by surprised if they didn't spar with wooden swords. Using bokkens in a sword vs sword scenario is mechanically not far removed from using real swords, as opposed to for example sword vs jo/bo, where a real sword sticks but a bokken slides off.
    The argument from the Koryu camp is that bokken cannot be used for sparring because they are still lethal, and can cause truly damaging blunt trauma. Certainly, wooden impact weapons can be extremely dangerous. Dog Brother Eric Knauss suffered a broken rib when going up against a boken in a mixed stickfight, and the old English quarterstaff, made of stout ash, was capable of mortal blows (one Renaissance-era coroner's report describes a quarterstaff-inflicted fractured skull, where the wound was large enough that bits of brain came out).

    Still, wooden swords--and steel blunts, for that matter--have been used in sparring formats. English singlestick-play made use of sturdy ash-staved weapons, with no protection whatsoever (the standard prayer before a singlestick match was, "Lord, spare our eyes"). In the 16th and 17th century Europe, rebated (blunted) steel swords were the "foils" of the day, and they were used in "loose play". In the 16th century, German fencers fought with a traditional weapon, a short wooden saber called the dussack.
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