Thread: Enshin Karate!?!?
4/11/2005 10:51pm, #1
Because I'm never content to suck at one thing, and strive to be horrible at as many things as possible, I decided to try an Enshin class. If you don't know, Enshin is the bastard mullado child of Ashihara Karate and Judo apparently. Ashihara being an offshoot of Kyokushin.
The sensei's name is Sensei Falcon. If that's not badass, I don't know what is. There's a brief bio on him on www.enshinnewyork.com. Yes the website sucks, I'd turn down the volume before you click on the link.
Now onto the class, for some reason it seems that people who teach Kyokushin offshoots don't like to teach basics. They start yelling in japanese and you do your best to copy what the teacher is doing. I say this because this also seemed to be the case when I tried a Seido class. I don't understand why they just can't slow down and break down the movements. The punches are completely different that what I do in my current karate class. They seem to drill punches how they'd be using them in a real life(competition). Which brings me to my next observation, they seem to do endless sparring drills, ie parries and various counters. Constantly adding on to the end or doing different variations. While in my current Karate class we spar often but do not do many sparring drills.
The round kick is very different from what I had learned previously (more like a TKD round) the sensei says the Enshin way is more powerfu, I personally don't like it because they have you drop you're hand when you kick which seems odd to me. Don't get me wrong I'm more than willing to learn the Enshin kicks and techniques.
The only other thing I can think of is that there might be a language barrier. He's Turkish and sometimes will stop and think about what he has to say, which makes me wonder if he understands everything I say, and makes me self conscious of whether or not I come off sounding like a prick.
I really suck at writing in general, so if you have any questions I'll try to answer them
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4/12/2005 7:15am, #2
Enshin is an excellent system, for what I have seen from it.
If there was an ENshin school here, I would be in it.
Sparring drills are essential, the more the better.
The round kick is the typical "kyokushin" round kick, much like the MT kick, rather than a TKD kick.
There are a few books and videos out there.
Their use of parries and attacking from the blind spot is a carry over from the Ashihara Karate that Ninomya was taught.
They have implemented more grappling as of late.
4/12/2005 7:55am, #3
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If you plan on sticking with it I highly suggest....no COMMAND that you get SABAKI METHOD. Its a good book that outlines the basic Enshin Ryu principles. Ninomya was a competent Judo competitor before taking up karate so you will be some grappling along with. Ninomya favors the triangle choke so you may see alot sequences ending with that.______
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4/12/2005 8:28am, #4
There is an Enshin guy in the city where I work, and I know that he is also part of the Royce Gracie network of schools in the northeast. So by way of association, that's gotta be pretty good.I dork harder than any of you can imagine.
4/12/2005 10:08am, #5
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I mentioned this before in another thread but I can't remember where.
I almost bought a couple of tapes on the Sabaki Challenge (99 and 01) until I tried them out. From what I saw, it was pretty sad. Most of the competitors were focusing on sweeping their opponents because that apparently got them the points. After awhile, it seemed that that was all they cared about. Man, what happened to the hardcore bareknuckle battles of Kyokushin? They would throw a couple of punches and kicks (which all didn't seem very powerful or effective to me) just to close in and trip their opponents.
Seems like it's going the wrong way to me.
4/12/2005 10:11am, #6
Founder of the Enshin system is Joko Ninomiya. He is a legitimate bad ass. Only slightly different than the Ashihara method it is popularized by the Sabaki Challenge in Colorado.
One of my old friends teaches the Enshin system in Texas someplace. He fought in Sabaki and did well. Don't think he won the whole thing, but won some fights and got the spirit award or someshit.
I am not sure it is really blended with Judo, as it just awards for clean sweeps and throws that have continual movement from the strikes. Really they want to see the clean headkick KO.
It's funny. I learned the first 2 Ashihara fighting kata's back in 94ish... And was familiar with Joko then. I look at his book in 2000 and he has added armlocks and **** straight out of BJJ in his book. I was like....awwww c'mon.
4/12/2005 11:01am, #7
Deja vu all over again:
Originally Posted by ojgsxr6
Originally Posted by ronin69"Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez
4/12/2005 11:06am, #8Originally Posted by ojgsxr6"Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez
4/12/2005 11:11am, #9Originally Posted by patfromlogan
4/12/2005 11:19pm, #10Originally Posted by ojgsxr6
If you want me to actually read your posts and stop making assumptions, I'll try. But it will help if you buy the expresso."Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez