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  1. jungle-mania is offline

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    there is no such thing as competition silat/kuntao. - Indochinese

    really? I know there isn't for kuntao, but silat?
    explain this then
    http://www.silat.com/

    or these pictures:
    http://www.geocities.com/gayongpasak...files/man7.jpg
    http://www.geocities.com/gayongpasak...files/man3.jpg
    http://www.geocities.com/gayongpasak...files/man9.jpg

    They are competition silat. Since you call yourself indochinese, I take it you must have originated from Indonesia, Malaysia or Singapore, or at least have been there to know that sports silat is practise almost everywhere. Its been going on for more than 2 decades.
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    Organsied schools of Silat do compete through I.P.S.I. and what not. However, Silat the more traditional teachers (Village) don't have competition so your both right in an odd sort of way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehogey
    So baically it's JJJ all over again?
    Kinda yes, kinda no. Both can claim to be battle field derived. But the circumstances and tactics are pretty far apart. Unlike JJJ where the core is predicated off empty hand defense against swords, Silat tends to be a bit more offensive and a bit more holistic.

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    I meant the throws which are too deadly to spar with, the "maiming" tactics, the positionless groundfighting and the smug, **** eating attitude of everyone on the internet who practices it.

    ****, I didn't set out to flame Silat, but the more I talk to Silatists the more I hate it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehogey
    I meant the throws which are too deadly to spar with, the "maiming" tactics, the positionless groundfighting and the smug, **** eating attitude of everyone on the internet who practices it.

    ****, I didn't set out to flame Silat, but the more I talk to Silatists the more I hate it.
    Heh heh!!

    Let me make a point that good ole Jiggy kind of made in like 1884: deadly techniques that can not be practiced full speed on a resisting opponent will by definition be difficult/impossible to master.

    On one end I hear good things about silat, on the other end I see a lot of costume-party-I'm-so-deadly silat schools. I'd like to see good silat, I'd really like to. I like the treachery part. But I don't think you need to wear a bandanna and an indocesian skirt to be effective.

    http://www.kuntaosilat.net/photos.htm

    Now I'm NOT saying there's no good silat:

    http://www.skfc.org/silat_05.jpg
    http://www.skfc.org/immagini/silat_06.jpg


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    Silat can be sparred hard combat if you wish too. Like other maritail arts it is good to find real teachers or frauds. Also what is difficult in that efffect is that they are ususally loosely organised, and private so you really have to go and see if the instructor is good and its what your looking for so DK you might wanna go elswhere if you fon't like what you see.
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    who me?

    Quote Originally Posted by hedgehogey
    I meant the throws which are too deadly to spar with, the "maiming" tactics, the positionless groundfighting and the smug, **** eating attitude of everyone on the internet who practices it.

    ****, I didn't set out to flame Silat, but the more I talk to Silatists the more I hate it.
    Hello everyone, my name is Ray(mond G.) I don't know much about anything, especially modern breeds of the silat. The only style I have been exposed to was in the navy and I was told I couldn't pronounce the names of all the things anyway so I only got to learn a few "things" (to do) :lookround

    Anyone familiar with the book by Steve T. "Karambits"? That's kinda the same thing but then so is tantojutsu...??? I'm still trying to figure out what it is I was taught. Judo with a knife? Not very sporting or safe for randori, eh?

    It's too bad that public interest in the art has made it such a distasteful thing...

    I'll just keep my ignorant no name generic crap to myself, it's nothing to brag about even if I was some red sash grandmaster...LOL


    PS. Donn Dreager wrote a book about the SE asian fighting arts too. Kinda dry but interesting reading...
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    'They are competition silat. Since you call yourself indochinese, I take it you must have originated from Indonesia, Malaysia or Singapore, or at least have been there to know that sports silat is practise almost everywhere. Its been going on for more than 2 decades.'


    nope, i is a cracker from amerlica.

    and what you are talking about is not Silat. not in my opinion.

    it is the modernized version.

    and that is not the same.

    the techniques of kuntao/silat that i have been taught are not suited for competition.

    when i spar or play, i am constantly having to start and stop...i.e. i cant finish and have to bail out or pull my opponent up to prevent serious injury......the best that can be managed, without injury, is a strenous simulation.

    sport silat is to silat as judo is to jujutusu.

    a watered down, modern version of a more complete art.

    many cultures have had cultural revolutions in which the focus and goal of the fighting arts have changed to a more social convention.

    all this that i am saying is common knowledge.

    the advent of firearms had a profound and permanent effect on the arts.

    this Silat that is done competitively...is it with blades, or sticks?

    or barehanded?

    Peace.

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    'So baically it's JJJ all over again?'

    hedge,

    ya know, that is probably one of the closest comparisons that can be made.

    It is both like and unlike jujutsu.

    but the emphasis on causing serious damage to joints is shared by both.

    there are only so many ways to torque the human body detrimentally, and so in arts that do this you will find many similarities.

    however, in my experience, jujustu leverage is more refined in certain aspects, while silat has better positioning skills (footwork).

    the whole thing about the throwing method can be a little misleading...

    far as i am concerned, any good judo/jujustu/aikido practitioner can do the same thing with the throwing methods that they use by adjusting their leverage vectors and adding a pull or a twist here and there. they just dont because they would like the guy to get up so they can keep training...that the prob with trad silat.

    Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndoChinese

    however, in my experience, jujustu leverage is more refined in certain aspects, while silat has better positioning skills (footwork).

    Peace.

    KTK
    Since we are touching about the topic of joint locks.

    What are people's experinces in the differences between the various joint locking "systems" (lack of a better word) like jujitsu, silat, chin na etc.
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