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  1. Phrost is offline
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    3/30/2005 9:57pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Found this at www.GrappleArts.com
    <table width="95%" border="0" cellspacing="5" cellpadding="5">
    <tr>
    <td><img src="http://www.grapplearts.com/Images/Grappling-Techniques/Rubberguard2/rubberguard-b1.jpg" alt="Eddie Bravo's Rubber Guard Technique 2, photo 1" width="300" height="210"></td>
    <td><font size="-1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hold
    your opponent's head down by headlocking him with your left arm.
    Use the classic wrestling grip with your right hand.<br>
    </font></td>

    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td><img src="http://www.grapplearts.com/Images/Grappling-Techniques/Rubberguard2/rubberguard-b2.jpg" alt="Eddie Bravo Rubber Guard Technique 2, photo 2" width="300" height="225"></td>
    <td><font size="-1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shift
    your hips by pushing off your opponent's right hip. </font></td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td><img src="http://www.grapplearts.com/Images/Grappling-Techniques/Rubberguard2/rubberguard-b3.jpg" alt="Eddie Bravo's Rubber Guard Technique 2, photo 3" width="300" height="268"></td>
    <td><font size="-1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">ONLY
    while your opponent's right hand is on the mat, bring your left
    leg up, hook it with your left arm and reclaspe the SAME grip with
    your right hand and squeeze tight! IMPORTANT: With your right elbow,
    push your opponent's left shoulder so that you can sneak your right
    knee out a little.</font></td>
    </tr>

    <tr>
    <td><img src="http://www.grapplearts.com/Images/Grappling-Techniques/Rubberguard2/rubberguard-b4.jpg" alt="Eddie Bravo's Rubber Guard Technique 2, photo 4" width="300" height="292"></td>
    <td><font size="-1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">In
    this position, your opponent will be only to hit you with his left
    hand. BUT you'll need him to try and punch you with his left so
    that you can set up the triangle on him. Just squeeze tight on his
    head and WAIT for him to try and punch you. When he does, use your
    right foot to block the strike.</font></td>
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    <tr>
    <td><img src="http://www.grapplearts.com/Images/Grappling-Techniques/Rubberguard2/rubberguard-b5.jpg" alt="Eddie Bravo's Rubber Guard Technique 2, photo 5" width="300" height="358"></td>
    <td><font size="-1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">After
    stuffing his left punch, you'll need to get your right leg OVER
    his left shoulder to go for the triangle. Release your left leg
    from your left arm and immediately re-headlock him while setting
    up your legs for the triangle.</font></td>
    </tr>
    <tr>
    <td><img src="http://www.grapplearts.com/Images/Grappling-Techniques/Rubberguard2/rubberguard-b6.jpg" alt="Eddie Bravo Rubber Guard Technique 2, photo 6" width="300" height="361"></td>

    <td><font size="-1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">With
    the same wrestling grip, pull his head down as hard as you can while
    thrusting your hips up and count to 10. If done properly, your opponent
    will tap at about 6 or 7.</font></td>
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Definately not a gimmick. It's a great strategy getting submissions from the guard, especially in no-gi and MMA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    Do you think rubber guard is just a gimmick?

    we dont call Aeso the rubber band man for no reason.
    Eduardo "Why'd you stop."

    Me "I was kicked in the head by the guys sparring next to me."

    Eduardo "Ino what happened but i didnt say you could stop."

    Me "Um.. I guess I keep going."

    Eduardo "You dont stop until i say stop, you dont get tired until i say your tired, keep going."


    Originally posted by Ralek
    My cousin gave me some tapes of him doing tkd. I learned from those tapes. When I beat up an Akido instructor, and made him take rest breaks, I used TKD. I learned Bjj from watching ufc and pride and then I copied them and wrestled my cousin for practice. I choked him out and he tapped.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    It is not a gimmick, it works quite well for setting up or submitting aggressive opponents that like to lay and pray. It's also good for people that like to try and get away whenever you engage them. Besides isn't it better to have too many options, than not to have an answer for the attack at hand?

    Just my .02 $.
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    "How? How would you even have sex with her?"
    "Just let her cool and fold her over, like an omolette."
    Since then we've always had this universal sign for Jennifer Connelly, it's like an "opening a book" motion, only backwards. And we are often known to softly remark "....like an omolette".]--boyd
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    You guys really disappoint me.

    This thread started good, with Dochter not really understanding what the rubber guard was and thinking it was just some rebranded high guard, but as soon as the informed posters started having their say, my fun was ruined.

    What was SUPPOSED to happen was the disgruntled judoka coming in spitting and hissing, "It's just a BJJ GIMMICK! A LIE!" Then Ke?po comes in and tells us how upset it makes them that Chuck is buying into the gimmick. Then the catch wrestlers tell us how Eddie Bravo is the King of All Lies, and all guards are naught but the fevered dreams of Brasilia.

    But sadly, instead of getting that, I just got educated answers.

    Thanks. Thanks a lot, assholes.
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    3/31/2005 11:05am

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boogyman
    It is not a gimmick, it works quite well for setting up or submitting aggressive opponents that like to lay and pray. It's also good for people that like to try and get away whenever you engage them. Besides isn't it better to have too many options, than not to have an answer for the attack at hand?

    Just my .02 $.
    It's utility isn't what would make it a gimmick. Packaging it as novel would. Given the paucity of online resources it seems hard to say. The triangle setup makes it seem not that revolutionary other stuff supposedly coming out of it (i.e. unique subs) would make it seem to be revolutionary.

    Hell if I know.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    To actually answer some questions, there was a great thread on the rubber guard a couple month ago. You can find it in the Similar Threads box at the bottom of this page. Or, you know, I can just link to it here:

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=19605

    As for Eddie releasing instructionals on it, he has said he's not going to put out anything serious until after his Royler rematch. I hear he does have a book deal in the works with a big publisher. But for the time being, the above linked thread has about every rubber guard tutorial you can find online, which really don't do it justice. I never really started getting it until I was lucky enough to work with some blue belts who have been training with it.

    As for the guard itself, I know it's not a gimmick in terms of effectiveness. You can argue that it's not really that new or different, but you can do that for any position in grappling. Calling it "high guard where you grab your foot" doesn't really do it justice. That's like calling De la Riva "just a spider guard where you hook your foot". They are similar, but they are not the same.

    As with the twister, Eddie didn't create a wholy new, never-before-discovered position, but he did take it and develop it into it's own game, with its own strategies and available techniques, and he made quite a name for himself in the process.

    If you want to say it's a gimmick because plays up its importance and gave it a new name and calls its moves catchy things like "Meathook" and "Invisible Collar", sure, it's a gimmick.

    It's a gimmick I've been trianging people with, but sure, it's a gimmick.
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    In this sense it might be:
    An innovative stratagem or scheme employed especially to promote a project: an advertising gimmick.
    But then again it is hard for me to say as I haven't seen anything but the triangle setups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesopian
    As with the twister, Eddie didn't create a wholy new, never-before-discovered position, but he did take it and develop it into it's own game, with its own strategies and available techniques, and he made quite a name for himself in the process.
    I'm sure KR will find evidence on some pots that it was in fact the greeks who developed this 3500 years ago.
    Thereby making ninjaism equivalent to bjj in terms of grappling.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    So how many of you actually use it?
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