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    Quote Originally Posted by _Mick_
    TKD kicks are effective, and powerful. the power is generated through speed, not power, like in MT kicks. my friend actually had his face broken by a reverse hook kick. (directly below his right eye, sorry i don't know what its called.)

    Just because most TKD players suck, doesn't mean all of them do
    Ah yes, power isn't generated from power. It's all so clear!
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    power = force

    mass * acceleration = force

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blizerp
    power = force

    mass * acceleration = force
    please don't ever do that again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris
    Yeh, that was rather dumb. The power of muay thai kicks is generated from power?

    well the thing is... i am functionally retarded, occasionally. i meant strength, as in muscles. (at least i think that is what i meant)

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    I disagree with your opinion of the Muay Thai kick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blizerp
    power = force
    No.

    Power
    = work / time
    = force * distance / time
    = mass * acceleration * distance / time
    or in SI units...

    Watts
    = Joules / second
    = Newton * meters / second
    = kilogram * meters squared / second cubed

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    diediediediedie physics asswipes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris
    So the TKD kick hits hard without using the muscles? Where's this speed coming from again? And when I kick THROUGH a target, whats at work there?
    What makes spinwhip kick effective is the velocity

    What makes pushkick and backkick effective is the muscles driving "through" the target.

    By the time the heel comes in contact with the temple it has more than enough power generated to be effective without "muscling" through. the exception would be a front leg hook which relies on sustained effort to displace the opponent's head.
    I think that's what our friend was so desperately trying to verbalize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reese
    What makes spinwhip kick effective is the velocity

    What makes pushkick and backkick effective is the muscles driving "through" the target.

    By the time the heel comes in contact with the temple it has more than enough power generated to be effective without "muscling" through. the exception would be a front leg hook which relies on sustained effort to displace the opponent's head.
    I think that's what our friend was so desperately trying to verbalize.
    What you're talking about is keeping the body relaxed so that the muscles aren't tense and retain the maximum amount of explosiveness. Because of the nature of the kick (utilising body torque), forcing the kick out reduces the speed which you spin. This is somewhat true for all kicks from the (TKD) roundhouse to the back kick. Saying that muscles have nothing to do with it is fundamentally wrong. If you purely muscle a back kick for instance, you're going to lack the explosiveness and you're going to need your opponent to really run into your kick with his solar plexus for it to be really powerful. Conversely, if all you do is rely on body torque for a spin kick, and don't bother really kicking out with the leg, you won't have enough force to break a wood block. The body torque is there to amplify the strength of your kick, not compensate for the lack thereof.
    Rad ki was made up by adolescents. I do not know who created trad ki but it was not made by adolescents. your an ass dude, Im not being a little bitch you are, your past the level of a bitch. Your beyond Bitch! If im easting my time with ki and psi, then your wasting time to prove frauds, and all **** like that! -theoutsider

    Kick boxing is ok, but don't expect do beat a man like Rickson Gracie with that. You need a real martial art. You need Xing Yi Quan. -Emptyflower

    The splits, how ever, have a few martial uses. Doing the splits for me, can put my fists in testical strike range.

    dont ignore the Art for the Martial or else your just kick boxing

    Yes i am serious, there are kicks that can block punches. we have them in Moo duk kwan.
    I want to learn how to use them in case my arm gets broken in a fight.
    what would you have me do? if my arm gets broke, not block punches? -sempi-stone

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifetime
    What you're talking about is keeping the body relaxed so that the muscles aren't tense and retain the maximum amount of explosiveness. Because of the nature of the kick (utilising body torque), forcing the kick out reduces the speed which you spin. This is somewhat true for all kicks from the (TKD) roundhouse to the back kick. Saying that muscles have nothing to do with it is fundamentally wrong. If you purely muscle a back kick for instance, you're going to lack the explosiveness and you're going to need your opponent to really run into your kick with his solar plexus for it to be really powerful. Conversely, if all you do is rely on body torque for a spin kick, and don't bother really kicking out with the leg, you won't have enough force to break a wood block. The body torque is there to amplify the strength of your kick, not compensate for the lack thereof.
    To say you misunderstood my post would be a monumental understatement.

    I never said the muscles have nothing to do with it, what I said was that in the case of dwi hooryu chagi VELOCITY from PROPER BODY MECHANICS have done most of the work by the time the heel contacts the temple, I have done this on "wood blocks" and actual people's skulls many hundreds of times.

    A proper back kick consists of pushing through the target AFTER CONTACT, same with push kick. the goal here is to displace the opponentas well as knock the wind out of him.

    Different kicks=different velocity=different goals= different amounts of sustained effort AFTER CONTACT.

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