BJJ Bullshido artist

[HAPKO3]

Nah, there'll never be as much bjj bullshido as there is in non competition-oriented arts for the same reason there's not much bullshit judo or boxing out there. All of these arts are tied to performance. There will always be SOME frauds around, but they'll never have nearly as huge a neiche to fill as in various Kung Fu and Karate styles.

[SifuAbel]

Nah, there'll never be as much bjj bullshido as there is in non competition-oriented arts for the same reason there's not much bullshit judo or boxing out there. All of these arts are tied to performance. There will always be SOME frauds around, but they'll never have nearly as huge a neiche to fill as in various Kung Fu and Karate styles.

...a river in egypt. :eusa_whis

[CMack11]

I don't know, I think HAPKO3 might have a point. Yes, I'm sure there's some boxing and wrestling bullshido out there, but is it as prevalent as karate/kf/TKD bullshido? I don't think boxing bullshido will ever come to equal the levels that kf/TKD/etc. will because it's competition oriented.

[HAPKO3]

There's two distinct possibilities for BJJ bullshido that I see.

1) A trend developing for non-competitive or self defence bjj, something that will probably never happen, because rolling around with sweaty guys never seems to appeal to the "self defence" crowd - they're after spin kicks, groin pulls, and dim mak.

2) The watering down of competition rules to the point that they are unrelated to fighting, kinda like what happened to, say, TKD or, to some extent, judo. This is the more likely senarion, IMHO.

[SifuAbel]

The counter point would be that the bullshido simply wouldn't go to competition. Or form their own competition. Like TKD. This isn't even including all those that have "incorporated" the style into their exsisting schools. So you have the existing bullshido schools adding BJJ as part of their own system. Its a cancer, karate, kung fu, etc were not born bullshido either. Some faker got a foothold, taught crap, and made a dynasty of it. It could happen, and now has happened, to ANY style.

[Xango]

Are you joking? "Cardio" boxing and kickboxing is HUGE right now. Billed often as an "effective, fun workout to improve fitness, inspire confidence, and teach self defense!"

Now, bullshido wrestling and judo are unlikely because there's no way to get out of grappling in those arts; you simply have to do it, sooner or later. Boxing and kickboxing, you can spend as long as you want skipping rope, sprinting, and hitting bags and mitts...or just shadowboxing to uptempo music.

[HAPKO3]

The vast majority of cardio kickboxing out there does not claim to have self defense value and is advertised for what it is - a good way to get aerobic excersise. Thus, it's not bullshido.

[TylerDurden]

The counter point would be that the bullshido simply wouldn't go to competition. Or form their own competition. Like TKD. This isn't even including all those that have "incorporated" the style into their exsisting schools. So you have the existing bullshido schools adding BJJ as part of their own system. Its a cancer, karate, kung fu, etc were not born bullshido either. Some faker got a foothold, taught crap, and made a dynasty of it. It could happen, and now has happened, to ANY style.

I have to agree with this. There really is not much stopping people from doing this. They cannot call it Gracie JJ because of the copyrights. But anyone could claim to teach BJJ and just not send students to compete.

[Xango]

http://www.combatdynamics.com/cardio.htm

http://members.cavtel.net/greatneck/...oxingFlyer.htm

http://www.metroart.com/cardiokick.htm "Excellent Self-Defense: GET FIT WITHOUT GETTING HIT!"

To be fair, here is an example with realistic advertising:

http://www.grayironfitness.com/crushkick.htm

"A. Though closely related to fighting and martial arts, Crush Kick® is not a self-defense course. However, the fundamentals you learn are technically sound and not merely a lot of jumping around and hand waving just to elevate your heart rate. To effectively use them for self-defense requires practice with simulated attacks and developing the proper mindset that goes beyond the scope of our classes. However, you will learn proper body alignment and movement to deliver effective kicks, punches, elbows and knees."

Still, HAPKO3, unrealistic claims of self-defense prowess for cardio kickboxing are unfortunately quite common.

[KickAHippie]

You think if someone taught martial arts they would mention their school when they are talking about teaching. No good businessman misses an opportunity to whore himself. I wonder if he ever even learned any BJJ or just thought it sounded cool to the ladies.