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  1. Bobbo Libbo is offline

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    6/25/2013 6:55am

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy83 View Post
    Just stumbled accross this page interesting read and one of the bottom posts can back up this story...

    http://freemartialartsonline.com/ken...-kenpo-karate/

    Ed Parker is credited with being the creator of modern Kenpo, putting on the biggest tournament in the world for years, the Internationals, teaching movie stars, including Elvis, and all manner of other deeds. His prowess is quite well known, and his students are legion. Unfortunately, when he first began teaching, while he seemed to demonstrate a talent as a teacher, he was only a brown belt.

    In those days he was actually teaching the Heian forms from Shotokan karate, this as illustrated by one of his earliest books. Running out of material to teach his students, he went back to Hawaii and was told to go take a hike, the founder of the system apparently had lost interest in him as a student. Iím not sure, exactly, what the fall out was, but it was perhaps that Ed was teaching without permission.

    Ed then ran into a fellow in San Francisco named Jimmy Woo, whose named might have been Jimmy Wu, who knew tremendous and authentic gung fu, but who spoke almost no English. Ed brought Jimmy to Los Angeles, where they lived together, and where Jimmy devised the Kenpo forms, the techniques, and so on. Ed took these forms and techniques and began teaching them as his own.

    To complicate matters further, Ed asked Jimmy to write a book with him on what they were doing, and Jimmy spent his days writing kenpo, teaching Ed and some of his students, all while still being deficient in the English language. One day Jimmy saw a rough translation/draft of the book that Ed was planning on turning over to a publisher, and he was surprised to see that his name was not on the cover, or anywhere in the book. This was surprising, because even though Ed was half the team, Jimmy was doing all the work.

    Why not my name on book, is what he was supposed to have said. Ed said he would explain, but he had an errand to run, could they take a drive, and Ed would explain on the way. Jimmy got into the car, and Ed drove into Hollywood, but Ed didnít say a word about the book the whole time. On Hollywood Blvd, there is an Armenian pastry shop there now, Ed let Jimmy out of the car, and drove off.

    Jimmy had one single quarter in his pocket, the clothes on his back, and nothing else. With that last quarter he called one of Edís students, who he had been teaching. In his broken English he explained what Ed had done, that he didnít know where he was, or why it had all happened.

    He had been teaching, writing, and then, he had been betrayed. Now, is this story true, or is it a pack of lies? If anybody has definite information on this story, I sure would like to know.

    Bill N. says:
    January 1, 2013 at 11:30 am
    I started training with Sifu James Wing Woo in 1977 and he is like a second father to me. That story of Parker and Sifu is essentially true regarding the book, but he went on to build a successful practice and a dedicated group of students. He always teaches the classes himself, 363 days a year. Sifu Woo just celebrated his 90th birthday Sept 2012, and he is still teaching Kung Fu and Tai Chi daily from his gym in Hollywood CA (and the workouts are still tough!). Some good links for more info:
    http://stevensprung.wordpress.com/20...ames-wing-woo/
    http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?p=116442#p116579
    This recent book from Sifu Woo is filled with wisdom and his experience
    http://www.lulu.com/shop/view-cart.e...AB43E3EE41569C
    Give yourself a gift and stop by the gym and take some classes from Sifu.
    Best, Bill Nadal
    OK- I have to reply to this one. I know that parts of this are true. Look at Ed's first book. Have any of you Kenpo people EVER seen training methods like that used by Ed? And it was always talked about that Ed took the book from Jimmy. But Ed always had a "story" as to what happened.
    So Bill, does Jimmy still teach on a concrete floor so you have to always have your balance? I trained under Jimmy. Does he still like the horses? He could hit! And he was always in shape.
    I do not know about the leaving Jimmy in the car part, but I believe it as I know Ed. He screwed me after I saved his butt over a complete lie. He screwed Paul Dalton. He screwed Bob Cook- I believe Cook was also a Jimmy Woo student. And Ed made up some lie about their break up being over some student hanging himself. Ed had stated that Jimmy was teaching a "mystical" form that made you so strong that you could hang yourself and survive it- so the kid tried it and died. I did not know Jimmy like you did. But I never heard any "mystical" things coming from Jimmy.
    Also, did you know John Wilson? A student of Jimmy's that looked like Rutger Hauer. He was very good as well. Very stocky and very powerful.
    But back to Ed. Elvis was an 8th. degree? Like my dog is a brain surgeon. I liked Elvis, but he was no 8th. Maybe a green. Ed was a hard man to figure out. But when push came to shove Ed only was loyal to Ed.
    A long time ago Ed wanted a bunch of us to come back- I have no idea why. So as I was being asked by a Kenpo 7th. dan I asked Paul Dalton (I was at Paul's home) "Do you want to get back with Ed Parker?" Paul screamed "You tell that fat pineapple picking son of a butch to go **** himself!!!" Paul had no fear of him either. So I said to the Kenpo guy "any questions?" I am still friends with the Kenpo people (maybe not now) but I do not share their feelings about Ed not their faith in Kenpo.
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    That was 3 to 400,000
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    6/25/2013 7:52am

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    Ed could grab Bruce like I can flap my arms and fly. Ed was critical in giving Bruce his start and introducing Bruce to Hollywood people. But Ed had nothing to teach Bruce. And Bruce greatly evolved over the years- Kenpo devolved.
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