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    Barry Bradshaw, head of the Australian Federation of Instructors

    http://www.jiujitsu.org.au/kancho.html

    This guy seems to have a 10th dan in Judo, + lots of high dans in lots of other styles... including oddly 'chinese boxing'.

    The style of Judo the site says they do seems to be Kodokan.

    Is this bullshido, or does anyone know about the legitness?

    PS: I think its complete BS when people call themselves a Professor as a variant form of Master or Sifu or whatever... why not Pilot or Quantity Surveyor, or the title from some other profession.

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    ha ha, i'm a fan of quantity surveyor.

    he's not a 10th dan from the kodokan. i believe other judo organizations may award 10th dan ranks, but it means **** in comparison. if you like, i will award you an 8th dan, but you're going to have to send me video of your kata before i can promote you any further. here's a list of the kodokan's 10th dans:

    * Yamashita, Yoshitugu (1865-1935) Promoted 10th Dan 1935
    * Isogai, Hajime (1871-1947) Promoted 10th Dan 1937
    * Nagaoka, Hidekazu (1876-1952) Promoted 10th Dan 1937
    * Mifune, Kyuzo (1883-1965) Promoted 10th Dan 1945
    * Iizuka, Kunisaburo (1875-1958) Promoted 10th Dan 1946
    * Samura, Kaichiro (1880-1964) Promoted 10th Dan 1948
    * Tabata, Shotaro (1884-1950) Promoted 10th Dan 1948
    * Okano, Kotaro (1885-1967) Promoted 10th Dan 1967
    * Shoriki, Matsutaro (1885-1969) Promoted 10th Dan 1969
    * Nakano, Shozo (1888-1977) Promoted 10th Dan 1977
    * Kurihara, Tamio (1896-1979) Promoted 10th Dan 1979
    * Kotani, Sumiyuki (1903-1991) Promoted 10th Dan 1984

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    I kinda am pulling for him to get his 11th dan soon. :new_all_c

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry_Sizzler
    ha ha, i'm a fan of quantity surveyor.

    he's not a 10th dan from the kodokan. i believe other judo organizations may award 10th dan ranks, but it means **** in comparison. if you like, i will award you an 8th dan, but you're going to have to send me video of your kata before i can promote you any further. here's a list of the kodokan's 10th dans:

    * Yamashita, Yoshitugu (1865-1935) Promoted 10th Dan 1935
    * Isogai, Hajime (1871-1947) Promoted 10th Dan 1937
    * Nagaoka, Hidekazu (1876-1952) Promoted 10th Dan 1937
    * Mifune, Kyuzo (1883-1965) Promoted 10th Dan 1945
    * Iizuka, Kunisaburo (1875-1958) Promoted 10th Dan 1946
    * Samura, Kaichiro (1880-1964) Promoted 10th Dan 1948
    * Tabata, Shotaro (1884-1950) Promoted 10th Dan 1948
    * Okano, Kotaro (1885-1967) Promoted 10th Dan 1967
    * Shoriki, Matsutaro (1885-1969) Promoted 10th Dan 1969
    * Nakano, Shozo (1888-1977) Promoted 10th Dan 1977
    * Kurihara, Tamio (1896-1979) Promoted 10th Dan 1979
    * Kotani, Sumiyuki (1903-1991) Promoted 10th Dan 1984

    Where do you get this information, if I may? I've seen a few places that claimed that Willem Reeders was a 10th dan in Kodakan Judo, which is obviously not correct, per your information. For example:

    http://www.nasda.net/gmhistory.htm

    From my experience with one of his arts, I wouldn't doubt he knew some Judo, but the 10th dan thing seems absurd. Also, I don't really know that it was him that was making the claim, since he's been dead for quite a while.

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    The Kodokan requirements for dan grade are online : http://www.kodokan.org/e_basic/shoudan.html - note that it tops out at 8. You can purchase a directory of high dan (7+) holders from the Kodokan; as of 2003 http://www.hint.co.jp/cgi-bin/kshop/...e=book_fr.html

    The common wisdom is that the Kodokan has put a moratorium on grades above 8.

    As far as I know, the IJF has granted 10th dan to only 2 individuals - Charlie Palmer (who was largely responsible for bringing judo to the Olympics) and Anton Geesink (the reason there are weight classes in Olympic judo - Geesink was a shoe-in to win the first Olympic judo tournament, in Japan, in '64. The Japanese couldn't not win a gold in their sport.). The IJF, though, isn't a ranking organization, really - they oversee international competition and let member nations handle rank.

    First tier is the Kodokan, second is an organization sanctioned by the IJF. Anything else is just so much foo-foo.

    Phil Porter, in the U.S. holds a 10th dan, but that's through his organization, the USMAA, and not through his former organization, the United States Judo Association.

    There's a good bit of debate, online anyway, that only World or Olympic medalists should rank above 5-6 dan in judo. Nonetheless, in the U.S. there seem to be quite a few high dan seminar instructors.

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    Thanks. Do you know why they'd put a moritorium on ranks above 8th? Also (while I'm asking stupid questions), I've always heard that Jon Bluming was a ninth in Judo. I'd assume this is from some other organization?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dakotajudo
    The Kodokan requirements for dan grade are online : http://www.kodokan.org/e_basic/shoudan.html - note that it tops out at 8. You can purchase a directory of high dan (7+) holders from the Kodokan; as of 2003 http://www.hint.co.jp/cgi-bin/kshop/...e=book_fr.html

    The common wisdom is that the Kodokan has put a moratorium on grades above 8.

    As far as I know, the IJF has granted 10th dan to only 2 individuals - Charlie Palmer (who was largely responsible for bringing judo to the Olympics) and Anton Geesink (the reason there are weight classes in Olympic judo - Geesink was a shoe-in to win the first Olympic judo tournament, in Japan, in '64. The Japanese couldn't not win a gold in their sport.). The IJF, though, isn't a ranking organization, really - they oversee international competition and let member nations handle rank.

    First tier is the Kodokan, second is an organization sanctioned by the IJF. Anything else is just so much foo-foo.

    Phil Porter, in the U.S. holds a 10th dan, but that's through his organization, the USMAA, and not through his former organization, the United States Judo Association.

    There's a good bit of debate, online anyway, that only World or Olympic medalists should rank above 5-6 dan in judo. Nonetheless, in the U.S. there seem to be quite a few high dan seminar instructors.
    First off, thanks for the info.

    Second:
    I read a story about an 80 or 90 year old lady teaching out in California getting promoted to 9th dan sometime in the last couple years. She was a student of Kano's, I believe. Any idea what I'm talking about or should I start googling?

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    Keikio Fukuda.

    Also, note that having a 10th dan in Kodokan Judo is different from having a 10th dan in Judo from the Kodokan, because apparently there are people giving out ranks in "Kodokan Judo" who are not affiliated with the Kodokan.

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    Good thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egg Nog
    First off, thanks for the info.

    Second:
    I read a story about an 80 or 90 year old lady teaching out in California getting promoted to 9th dan sometime in the last couple years. She was a student of Kano's, I believe. Any idea what I'm talking about or should I start googling?
    Keiko Fukuda.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BGH429C0T1.DTL

    Got her book. ( the recent one, not "Born for the Mat", that's a collectors item - see http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/155...books&v=glance )

    Featured in Oprah Magazine. Haven't met her, but know people who have, and she's highly respected.

    Her grandfather was one of Kano's first teachers. Yeah, she should be 9th dan.

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