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  1. M. Artist is offline

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    4/29/2005 12:49pm


     Style: Jeet Kune Do (concepts)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koto_Ryu
    You thought the same thing about Tai Chi until RM gave you a run for your money :laughing9
    I'd like to see the clip you're talking about. Where can I find it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by M. Artist
    I'd like to see the clip you're talking about. Where can I find it?
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...down+repulsive
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonshu
    Well its pretty much as I learnt it, but a problem with the art is like so many in CMA's, people claim there version is the truth and was taught by there instructor who trained with bla bla bla.

    Jenum did Taijitsu and like any other art it has cross overs, because he did not do Boshikens or any of that crap does not change that is what his art background was. Also he had the balls to get into the ring a few times so he did ok.

    The Xkans you are mentioning its there look out. I would rather be wrong with the history and be able to fight then be the other way around.

    To me Ninjitsu as an art has tried to evolve (not done a great job) and there are shoddy ones about like many arts. I managed to use my training in real fights (as an adult) and in my MMA training I still use a number of technqiues that I took into MMA Gyms and Judo Clubs/Sombo and performed more than well enough to beat and tap people out.

    But then I could fight before I started the art and I said this is a problem with the art. I am not an expert on the history of the art but I did it years ago and made it work. As I said I would rather be able to use what I kept from it than be a historian.

    Again my point is that Ninjutsu is not for fighting. And that Taijutsu is NOT really a part of ninjutsu. Ninjutsu is pretty much dead because technology has negated many of the tricks used and I don't see Hatsumi, Shooto, or Unsui researching methods to deal with that issue. Taijutsu is just another term refering to Jujutsu. So bottomline Jenum used Jujutsu.

    As for the historian comment. I think it is a error to not know the history of the art. Through the history you get a better grasp of what things were used for. I can fight AND I am a historian a part of my skill and success lies withn truly understanding what the art is about.
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    5/03/2005 11:40am


     Style: Jeet Kune Do (concepts)

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    Thx, wow, that was terrible.
  5. Ronin is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by M. Artist
    Thx, wow, that was terrible.

    And yet, better than all the ninja stuff we've seen here.

    Truly shocking.
  6. TekkaMaki is offline
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    Posted On:
    5/24/2005 11:42am

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    Apparently I got owned on this thread. What the hell was I thinking? :-P

    Anyway, not important.

    Someone said something about crosstraining before, that was kind of the point I was trying to make to begin with, that I crosstrain and I was getting pissed at all these people who were assuming I didn't, even after I had stated many times that I did.

    Anyway, that's all water under the bridge now.

    The bottom line for me is that I think all people should learn how to box, how to grapple and at least one traditional martial art. In my opinion, that gives you the grounding for being adaptable. I like taijutsu for its takedowns, locks and striking method. I can definitely agree though that for the most part MMA/BJJ takedowns are alot more efficient than the majority of the takedowns associated with classical japanese arts. I like the economy of movement of a tackle or double leg.

    Also, my school is a bit different from most ninjutsu schools because we practice grappling and non-stop action sparring, which is pretty cool. I also practice boxing on my own time, and I'm always willing to learn aspects of other arts and fighting styles. If I were to just limit myself to ninjutsu I'd be less adaptable and less prepared in a fight.

    Hopefully that clears up where I'm coming from a bit.
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     Style: shotokan karate, iaido

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowcat View Post
    Care to prove your statement Shuma-Gorath? Video?

    Why not ask Phil Legare for a fight next time he's in Toronto. Have fun.

    Also, Tanemura Shoto is in Milwaukee every so often. That isn't too far from Toronto. I've driven there to watch baseball games in the past from TO. Maybe you can demonstrate your uber leet BJJ at a Genbukan TaiKai.
    As a fellow "ninjer" you sound very ignorant right now and here's why...

    When I started in taijitsu I was an orange belt in judo, a brown belt in shokotan karate, had taken some wing chun, and kendo. Anyhow my sensei in taijitsu who at the time was a 8th dan decided let's do some randori.

    After a little back in forth we ended up grappling and I ended up throwing him via a hip throw and he ended up directly underneath me and said I messed up because he was in a position to do monkey see peaches monkey grab peaches. I told him, true...that would be assuming I wouldn't have continued once I had you on the ground as I was still standing and could have done any number of things to him.

    How is it that an orange belt and brown belt took down a 8th pretty simply only to be told that his next move would have been that?

    Now am I saying taijitsu is ineffective? no...what I am saying is that in most combat situations it is ridiculously ineffective unless the guy is stunned, knocked out, or just completely stupid. You think most of these guys are directly attacking you and maybe they are because you opened the door to it. Furthermore you are acting like a lot of the "ninjers" who frequen here that it is the best art yada yada yada.

    Do you think phil legare or hatsumi in his prime would make me think that I would like in a fight to them? Based on what i've seen...I don't think.

    Also i've done some bjj when I was trying to find an art to call home and although it is my cup of tea i'd wager more on a blue or green belt in bjj on the ground than any master ninja on this planet.

    You can argue semantics with me if you want but as a fellow ninjer im telling you it doesn't work.
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    2/23/2015 11:11am

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    Quote Originally Posted by gileanofgrey View Post
    ninja necro :)
    Dude, not sure who you expect to argue with on this...... the thread is 10 years old
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    ninjas are immortal, hasn't history already proven that? With all the fallacies and tall tales I might as well keep one alive no?
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    Posted On:
    2/23/2015 11:37am

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    Quote Originally Posted by gileanofgrey View Post
    ninjas are immortal, hasn't history already proven that? With all the fallacies and tall tales I might as well keep one alive no?
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