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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonshu
    With you on most of this apart from the weight divisions being created to allow more matches.

    If there were no divisions then everyone could fight everyone and you would have more match ups. It was created I feel for the level playing field and also to make it more acceptable to the masses.

    People were classing early events as barbaric with a little guy of getting a leathering by a guy of equal skill but considerably heavier and stronger.

    It was done to make it more of an even event rather than the big brawlers like Paul Varlens and Tank Abbot getting drawn against some 140 lbs guy and opening up on them.

    Which is why Tank Abbot was often defeated by much smaller individuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TekkaMaki
    Most people have absolutely no clue what to do once they're on the ground.
    Including ninjas. The ninja fights I've seen go to the ground all ended in some catch wrestling "stupid mount", even against people who had no clue about groundfighting. Both taitjutsu/whatever people at my university club came to me for ground fighting advice as a Judo yellow belt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsufubu
    And what's with BJJ'ers being "meatheads"? Wrestlers are meatheads, BJJ'ers are skinny bastards.
    And considering I'm pretty much a meathead who's in the Bujinkan himself, that pretty much goes against a lot of what you've been arguing Tekka :wrestlera

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    Quote Originally Posted by TekkaMaki
    At any rate, chew on this:
    A 150 pound BJJer vs. a 275 pound BJJer. Who wins? Mr. 275, every time.
    I know a 160 pound BJJer and a 240 pound BJJer and JJ practictioner.

    Mr. 160 always taps out Mr. 240 - takes a while yes, but technique can definitely win the day over weight. And it has rather consistently for Mr. 160.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronin69
    Such as?
    As said people like Paul Varlens at the time of these fights he was 6'8 350 lbs

    Paul Varlens 350 lbs vs 200 lbs Gerry Harris, 1995, UFC 7
    Paul Varlens 250 lbs vs 185 lbs (think) Valery Nikkolin - 1996, IFC Combat in Kiev

    Jean Riviere 250 odd vs 180 lbs Carlos Newton - 1996, EF2
    Mestre Hulke 180 odd vs 255 lbs Mark Kerr - 1997 WVC 3

    I am talking about these types of fights where it looked like a miss match from the start and the bigger guy won. These are old fights and its the EARLY days I am talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wounded Ronin
    Which is why Tank Abbot was often defeated by much smaller individuals.
    Tank in his early days had an ok record but as the sport evolved his competition evolved and Tank did not change his game so he lost more.

    I am talking about early days (mainstram not Brazil) MMA not the recent stuff you are on about I think.

    Tank did better against smaller opponents but as peoples grappling game improved over time Tank was more and more out classed.

    Once again EARLY MMA I have been into the sport from its early maintsteam days.
    The weight stuff was brought in to make things fairer and more sporting but also so many journalists turned on the sport as being a barbaric blood sport and with the inclusion of rules and weight divisions it has improved its appeal to the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EternalRage
    I know a 160 pound BJJer and a 240 pound BJJer and JJ practictioner.

    Mr. 160 always taps out Mr. 240 - takes a while yes, but technique can definitely win the day over weight. And it has rather consistently for Mr. 160.
    Think your disputing the obvious here, people are talking about the skills being the same and the advantage being with the heavier guy if its a noticable difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonshu
    Think your disputing the obvious here, people are talking about the skills being the same and the advantage being with the heavier guy if its a noticable difference.
    First of all, that's not what TekkaMaki wrote. He wrote "a BJJ guy vs another BJJ guy" - skills not specified.

    Second, I really don't see what all of this has to do with whether ninjas can fight, or whether ninja fighting skills come from taijutsu or ninjutsu, or anything else related to the topic of this thread. All in all, it was a clever ninja manoevre - spout outrageous bullshit about a completely irrelevant topic, and watch everyone work up their rage while they forgot what they were here for - to ridicule ninjas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonshu
    I am talking about these types of fights where it looked like a miss match from the start and the bigger guy won. These are old fights and its the EARLY days I am talking about.
    And then Igor whupped everyone at IFC Kiev. Royce also beat Kimo eventually, and took out many bigger guys much faster. What's your point?

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