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    If you score it like the Leben-Koshchek, didnt Stephan have more takedowns and more top control? He definitely ate more punches. I think Bobby took two steps foward that whole fight, but I don't like Bobby some I'm biased. I was expeting more out of Stephan on the ground, cant believe he could'nt get the mount in the 2nd. Anyways, I would have to watch it again to make a decision.
    Heres a question, who would of done better in the 3rd. They both looked pretty gassed to me.

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Maybe they'll bring back 'Strange Brew'. . .
    "I had once talked to Billy Conn, the boxer, about professionals versus amateurs - specifically street fighters. One had always heard rumors of champions being taken out by back-alley fighters. Conn was scornful. "Aw, it's like hitting a girl," he said. "They're nothing."


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    Can the admns fix the thread title?


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    I personally thought Stephan did take it because he controlled the pace and was the aggressor. Yes, he ate a bit, but he knows what he can take for an entry. He had most of the takedowns (which seem to matter to these judges) and was overall better on the ground I think.

    Bobby needed to engage more. If he'd stood his ground a bit and forced Stephan to change his strategy, he would have been more decisive.

    I think we all expected a 3rd round. It seems the show doesn't really want to go that long.

    I don't care who they bring back, it's dumb. If you're gone, you're gone.

    It'll probably be Leben. It's a bit too obvious, but I'm not giving TUF that much credit for being complex. LOL!
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    One guy gets sword and sheild, the other gets a net and a trident.
    Lions eat christians between rounds." - Strong Machine

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    Bobby was backpedaling the entire fight, Stephan had the takedowns and had more time on top. By the UFC rules that cost Leben his match, Bobby lost. It's funny that they took such pleasure with Leben's loss and then such issue with Bobby losing on the same criteria. It was a very close fight, could easily have gone to a third round.
    Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?

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    Bring back old UFC rules, no decisions, only ends in KO or Sub.

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    If it is Leben coming back can you imagine how they will scream the fix is in. I think they would be better off bringing in some kind of alternate fighter rather than bringing someone back.

    Edit : KM as flawed as the new rules of UFC are I don't think I could take another Royce - Shamrock 30 minute fight.
    Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?

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    It should have gone to the third round but stefan deserved the win.
    Overall he was more aggressive, and in MMA THATS what counts.
    I mean look at muay thai...Ramon dekkers, Fucking awesome fighter.
    How often did you see him dance around?--He went straight for the knock out and went fucking crazy. That explains his 200 fight record, with 170 wins and 90 KO's.

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    If Nate does indeed go out after getting the MRI results back then I think it's only fair that he be able to choose a replacement from the pool of eliminated fighters.

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    I honestly think that --objectively-- the fight should have gone a third round. I actually like both fighters and was not disappointed to see Southworth lose as much as I was in a crap decision. Even Couture, Dana and Liddell thought that the fight would be one more round. Southworth did look gassed though, I think he lost round 1 but narrowly won round 2.

    Btw - I think Kenflo will be fighting soon --looking forward to that.

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