Posted On:3/01/2005 10:56pm
BTW if your in Thornwood theres also a BJJ place right in Thornwood @ 53 Kensico Road taught by a BJJ brown belt under Carlos Elias. Just another option for you closer to where your training now.
Posted On:3/01/2005 10:59pm
Nah, it takes me like 25 minutes to get to Thornwood. I'm in Mamaroneck, so TGC is a lot closer. So what about the pricing plan and that guy I mentioned?
Posted On:3/01/2005 11:04pm
Reding comprehension bro, makes life a lot easier :) In my first post @ the top of this page I said:
"THe $99 is for unlimited training whether it be Boxing, BJJ, MT, Cap, Yoga whatever, used to be $150 but they lowered prices a while back. So theres your answer to that."
As far as your friend goes, maybe I'd know him by face but unlike your school theres alot more than 30 students @ GC. Some you might not see for months and some are like the furniture there as they are there every class :) As I said I haven't been there for about 3 months (but will be going back after March 18th thank god), so if your friend is new there I wouldn't know him.
Posted On:3/01/2005 11:18pm
Well, the website listed the things you can learn, and shows that they are each 99 dollars a month, and you get unlimited training. If they listed them seperately as each being 99 dollars, you'd have to assume it was for each one. What you said could have been taken the exact same way. So that's not really a matter of reading comprehension. hehe Anyway, I guess I'll eventually be seeing you there some time in the near future. I'll just look for the guy who disappears and climbs up the walls. :)
Posted On:3/01/2005 11:21pm
Ok, I am abit older than the many here - I was around, doing MDK and JJ...and boxing abit also - back in the 60's - in NYC. Hongs old turf.
At that time there was ZERO MMA -- not, at least; as it is known today. NO MThai, NO BJJ, NO FMA (to speak of) -- and very little real contact competitions. The 'legend' of an underground fighting circuit - IS BULLSHIDO! Plain and simple. All that didnt even show up in the drek of m.a. pretenderism until Enter The Dragon/Blood Sport/Dux.Oh, there were a few who were true to a style and went at it fairly hard - most often amongst others who shared their style.Even oriental style against style - STYLE! Back then, ya could get a poin tout of a tourney judge if ya threw a backfist! A good one! Joe Lewis used to bust a face or two until the b.fist was a point getter. Spin kicks? Even if ya knocked a guy into next week - got nothing from judges - till ol C. Norris just hammered a few guys with it. NOBODY shot for the legs - nobody arm barred nor choked an opponent - actually, back then; only the FEW interschoold JJ schools barred or chocked at all. BUT - that bloodsport-ean myth is just that. A frikin myth - I dont care who tells you there was some **** like that goin down back in the 60's/70's/80's -- right up to the 90's when MMA came to be. It was always 'style' as the common venue - even the 'inter-style' things that came along between the 60's/70's cusp were one style against another. If you were a J.K.A. guy - faced with a TKD guy - you could see when 'style' was the main factor....and it turned out like it does today - it is, most often the one doing the fighting that is MUCH more important than style.
FJP. I remember well the NYC school that was over what is now a temple for Budda. I went there myself, as a 19 year old. A door led to a waiting area - there was a small window with a slot where the receptionist would push out a few pages of description of FJP, a standard release form and a fee/class schedule. You couldnt even watch a session before signing up. I met Hong at a Karate vs kung fu tourney thrown by Allan Banks at NYC Civic Center, back a few decades ago - when his hair was dark black and styled like Travoltas in S.N Fever. Now, dont get me wrong. If you like to 'style' as FJP - and move around like a 'tiger decending the mountain' - OK, to each his own. Hong was known to the m.a community in NYC - he would do occassional demos - his students doing the standards - all very nice to see...like a KFu movie come to life. He was also respected by other members of the Chinatown community that enjoyed mimicking birds, beasts, dragons, unicorns and whatnot.
In that m.a. world he fit right in.
BUT - to even think that he was involved in 'underground' fights in Chinatown - is m.a. fairytale-ism at its purest. There were purist styles of m.a back then, and NOT the progressiveness known today as MMA. You might compete against a mix of different members from different styles - but MMA simply did NOT exist then. END OF STORY! The m.artist of today is a very lucky person - so much more to find a home in.
And please, save me any 'WTF do you know? Your not chinese! You werent there" drivel. Hell I was there - and MANY of my (then) buds were there also..Alan Lee, Hong, Chen - and I could fill up too much bandwidth of alot of names now forgotten - but ALL of them were not MMA'ists...in every damn expression of m.a. in NYC at the time! There really were so much fewer schools than now. It was a closer m.a. community than it is now.Even those that did not teach the gwai low -- their more open minded students came out and met the rest of us. MUCH closer. Buying the bullshido of the urban m.a. myth of NYC underground m.a. fights containing ANYTHING even remotely close to MMA is like buying the Brooklyn Bridge - which I suspect is available -- let me know....I can getcha a good price!
I will even throw in the ringside tickets to the Ultra-secret death match 'kumite' for 2005 in a secret location. You know which one I am referring to - the one that F. Dux won.
And on a sad note - it is sometimes normal for a student to build a myth around a teacher - its often started with a lil stretch of the truth, passed on - and becomes a frickin lie of gargantuan proportions. One that is harder to kill than a NYC cockroach. I do really hope that Hong was not the source of this delusionary myth. Hope he even explains it away to the young 'tigers' - if not? Well...then he turned out to be far less of a teacher than he was back in NYC chinatown FJP kwoon. Back then, I wouldnt have thought him as being anything but a sifu faithfully passing along what he was taught - for whatever it was worth.
You can like and continue FJP - but the myths have to die off - and there is nothing really wrong, to me' if you get some form of comfort out of deep bow and arrow stances while clawing the air. Its rather entertaining to watch; when done well.
BUT - if RBSD is what you are looking for - your climbing down the wrong mountain. Regardless of how many sashes you accumulate - not matter how well you can perform the 2-man sets or wield a trident.
Me? Well, I have done enough MT under a well known name to be happy enough - I dont do it anymore...but I did eough to know its effective. BJJ? That came along at a different time -- I do see some decent value to it, though.
I am not a nuthugger to these methods - but acknowledge they can produce some very effective fighters.
Ya just haveta choose, intelligently; where you want to go.
AND THEN - get going.
Posted On:3/01/2005 11:22pm
KuNg FooL, assuming you make it through even 6 months of BJJ, you will return to this thread and realize just how delusional you had been.
I'm not saying this to be a smartass. I just want you to come back and realize "Wow, Aesopian sounded like a dick at the time, but now I understand EXACTLY what he was talking about." I don't WANT to be an asshole, but it seems people around here won't listen unless I get rather LOUD about the problems I see. Others are kind enough to come in and do damage control, like jaychiu.
So please, for your sake and your benefit, go to TGC now and seriously give it a shot. I am confident they will give you everthing you have been wishing for, if you truly do want to become a "great well-rounded fighter".
Posted On:3/02/2005 12:12am
This place looks awesome. You kidding me?! RUN, DONT WALK!
P.S. Unless Im confused I think I know someone who trains there. He likes it too.
P.P.S. Screw the kungfu, man up and fight.
Posted On:3/02/2005 1:09am
Style: Wado Kai
Well, a lot has been said. KF says he's going to TGC so I'll be waiting for his review of the training.
Easily Distracted by Food.
Posted On:3/02/2005 8:54am
$99 for unlimited training? With high quality instruction? Honestly, what's stopping you from training there full time?
Posted On:3/02/2005 9:09am
Come on Don't make him repeat himself for the 6th time. He loves FJP he wants to get to his next advancemnt. Although, Rank doesn't matter. His style wins 90% of tournaments and they have so many trophies they are in a back room. His sifu participated in many underground tournaments in the 60's (unconfimed/hearsay) against all styles. ILLEGAL underground tourneys. So, he has said when he is done learning t3h ill3g4l d34dly he will go to TGC.
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