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  1. Ming Loyalist is offline
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    you don't like sanda. we get it, get over it.

    and 1-2 throws doesn't win a round if the other guy can land a lot of punches, kicks, knees and elbows, it's a point system... maybe the guy being thrown is unable to score any points and therefore loses.

    why don't you pick some video evidence, make comments about specific fights, talk specifics (i.e. what throw at what minute:second of what round) and then we can have an intelligent discussion. otherwise, what's your point? bashing sanda? we've heard it before <yawn>
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    A point system where throws are worth 1-3 and punching/kicking is a cumulative judgement based on a 10point system, like boxing. Yes, throws are worth way too much in a MT vs Sanda competition. For Sanda, it's fine.
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     Style: Muay Thai

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    MT vs sanda comps are kind of dumb though. rules are too different, so muay thai guys end up being thrown all the time in sanda, and san shou fighters just get fucked up in muay thai.
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     Style: MT, BJJ, VT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikken Hisatsu
    MT vs sanda comps are kind of dumb though. rules are too different, so muay thai guys end up being thrown all the time in sanda, and san shou fighters just get fucked up in muay thai.
    Finally some sense. In addition to what you have said, one hardly ever sees top ranked Thai fighters. The Japanese have been good about bringing in Thai fighters, but even then, in K1, Buakow usually rapes Japanese KB fighters and he's not even top ranked in Thailand.
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     Style: Muay Thai/Judo

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    Yeah the ones I got are the ones in china. From what I've seen muay thai does have throws not the slams you see from the sanda guys but they do have them. And yes the Sanda vs this and that do gear the rules towards the Sanda competitors. It's funny most so called Thai boxers in america tend to not to fight like fighters from thailand. They are geared towards the K1 rules pure kickboxing stlye. Buakaw Por. Puramuk is a perfect example of a traditional thai fighting style high guard, emphasis on kicking and knees, even throws.
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     Style: Muay Thai

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    well yeah muay thai has throws but they are pretty fuckin basic compared to san shou, where you are allowed to grab the legs. there is also a rule in muay thai about using hip throws and sweeps, both of which are allowed in san shou.
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    2/26/2005 11:10pm


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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    It's funny most so called Thai boxers in america tend to not to fight like fighters from thailand.
    Maybe because American MT boxers ARE NOT THAI.
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     Style: MT, BJJ, VT

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    The rules are different in the US, the audience is different, the judging is different and people train differently --most MT camps rarely train in actual Thai type training and even fewer have pure MT instruction, usually it is a mix. The Thai's are masters at the clinch and swimming, as they do it from a very early age. Their form is excellent too as they learn basic drills in their childhood while we are playing catch.

    You are not allowed to use the back of the leg or the hips in a MT toss. You can use certain sweep type kicks. If you want to learn takedowns as well, I would suggest a grappling art to complement. VT training really helps meld the styles as one is applying more than just one school of thought.

    While Sanda has some nice throws, they are geared towards Sanda/SS rules and would still need to accompanied with a grappling art for true MMA training, as we all know. The styles cannot be judged in competition using just each others' rules.
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