233223 Bullies, 3551 online  
  • Register
Our Sponsors:

Results 1 to 10 of 14
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Sponsored Links Spacer Image
  1. The Iron Man is offline

    Registered Member

    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Poway, CA
    Posts
    5

    Posted On:
    2/25/2005 12:26am


     Style: Kempo

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!

    McDojo or Not?

    http://www.isdc.net
    After two years of training here I am a blue belt or the first rank of being considered an advancted student. We learn 6 diffrent martial arts, 8 if you go to two extra classes. There are 4 instructors, two for our base martial arts, one for judo and one for tai chi. We do sparring, grappaling, and free sparring. Most of our work is done in small groups sparring or learning from the teachers or a higher ranked student some times the teacher will show a technique or set of techniques and we all line up and preform it about 10 times or untill we show we can do it. Our students almsot always do well in tournaments. We only have one black belt under 23 he's 17 and most are 30 or older. The only things I dont like are that belt tests have fee's, and you have to learn 1 to 2 forms per rank before you can advance. Check out the site and tell me what you think.
  2. Thaiboxerken is offline
    Thaiboxerken's Avatar

    Genius

    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Portland, Oregon
    Posts
    6,349

    Posted On:
    2/25/2005 12:27am

    supporting member
     Style: Kru-MuayThai,GJJ-Blue

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Looks like they teach good stuff, but a McDojo can teach good stuff.
    "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire.
  3. Jay Zarella is offline

    Registered Member

    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    673

    Posted On:
    2/25/2005 1:12am


     Style: thugjitsu

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!

    looks fine

    Quote Originally Posted by The Iron Man
    http://www.isdc.net
    After two years of training here I am a blue belt or the first rank of being considered an advancted student. We learn 6 diffrent martial arts, 8 if you go to two extra classes. There are 4 instructors, two for our base martial arts, one for judo and one for tai chi. We do sparring, grappaling, and free sparring. Most of our work is done in small groups sparring or learning from the teachers or a higher ranked student some times the teacher will show a technique or set of techniques and we all line up and preform it about 10 times or untill we show we can do it. Our students almsot always do well in tournaments. We only have one black belt under 23 he's 17 and most are 30 or older. The only things I dont like are that belt tests have fee's, and you have to learn 1 to 2 forms per rank before you can advance. Check out the site and tell me what you think.
    Looks ok to me, they invite you to sit in on classes as well.
  4. Blue Collar is offline

    Registered Member

    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    So Cal
    Posts
    395

    Posted On:
    2/25/2005 10:41am


     Style: Liu Seong Kuntao, Baguazh

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    "We have continuously represented the Villari System since 1985"

    That is a resounding YES. Nice facility... but still a McDojo.
  5. Jay Zarella is offline

    Registered Member

    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    673

    Posted On:
    2/25/2005 4:00pm


     Style: thugjitsu

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!

    hmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Collar
    "We have continuously represented the Villari System since 1985"

    That is a resounding YES. Nice facility... but still a McDojo.

    Well the villari system is bs imho, however that not all they teach there. Im still wavering on this one and I noticed this thread hasnt recieved many replies, so I think many are of the same opinion.

    still nice catch on the 'Villari system'
  6. octopic is offline

    Registered Member

    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    32

    Posted On:
    2/26/2005 8:49am


     

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zarella
    Well the villari system is bs imho, however that not all they teach there. Im still wavering on this one and I noticed this thread hasnt recieved many replies, so I think many are of the same opinion.

    still nice catch on the 'Villari system'
    I'm curious as to why you think the Villari system is bs. Do you not like the Kajukenbo, or the touch of Kung Fu? The organization itself has been through a lot over the years and is now a very different entity than it once was.

    In the early 90's more than half of the Villari schools left the organization when Masters Mattera and Demasco broke off to start United Studios of Self Defense (USSD). To give an idea of what schools broke off, let me tell you the a little annecdote. There was a Villari school in my town. There was also one in the next town over. The one in my town did not have a good reputation, classic McDojo stuff like contracts mixed with poor instruction. The one in the next town over had a great reputation, no long term contracts and awesome instructors. The one in my town went USSD, and the one in the next town stayed Villari. This isn't to say that there aren't still some not so great schools in the Villari org, and it isn't to say that there aren't some great schools in the USSD org. In general the schools that stayed with Villari tended to be the more senior instructors, a lot of them being people who had trained with GM Villari when he had his school up in Boston. The organization is now a lot more informal than it once was, and there is a lot less pressure to expand. Prior to the USSD split, at your black belt test, they would pressure you to open up your own school, but things like that don't happen anymore. Actually, let's put the Villari or through the McDojo test using the criteria listed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDojo.

    1) Binding contracts when you join, with high up front training fees, high testing fees and the use of collection agencies to collect any remaining fees if a student quits before the contract term is up.

    No binding contracts at most Villari schools now. Training fees tend to be normal for the areas they're run in. Testing fees are a little high for black belt tests. Collection agencies are not used.

    2) Promises of obtaining a black belt within a given timeframe.

    I've never heard of this being done (in any of the schools that remained after the split). When asked, people are given the statistic that it normally takes 5-6 years to get to 1st degree, but they're always told that some people take more time, and some people take less (though I've only seen one person take less and that person had a ton of training before they showed up).

    3) Large numbers of very young (i.e. 6 or 7 year old) black belts.

    Doesn't happen. General rule in the org is no BB's under 14. We can argue if the age should be 12, 14, 16, or 18, but there certainly are no child BB's in the org.

    4) Flashy advertising, laden with boasts about the art's effectiveness.

    Most Villari schools do no advertising anymore, they exist on word of mouth. Are there marketing slicks that some schools hand out to potential students? Sure, but they don't market like a lot of the other schools out there.

    5) Questionable credentials of instructor:
    a) Not from a known school or ryū
    b) The instructor looks to be about 30, but claims a title of shihan, sōke, hanshi, hachidan, or other designation of senior status

    If nothing else, on can say that the Villari school is known, so there goes that point. I have heard rumors of there being one pretty young master in the org, but every master I've ever interacted with has been with the org for more than 20 years (and is well over 30).

    Unfortunately for the Villari haters out there, it looks like the Villari org does not fit the criteria of a McDojo.
  7. punchingdummy is offline

    Registered User

    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    NY
    Posts
    2,796

    Posted On:
    2/26/2005 8:54am

    Join us... or die
     Style: TSK

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    What? The BS meter is starting to move...



    Recent Awards Include

    "Master Instructor of the Year" (Karate)
    Chris Mechling
    From the World Karate Union Hall of Fame 2004

    "Leadership Award" Chris Mechling
    From the World Head of Families Council (Martial Arts Founders) 2003

    "Master Instructor of the Year" (Jiu Jitsu)
    Nick Mechling
    From the World Head of Families Council (Martial Arts Founders) 2003

    "Excellence in Teaching Muay Thai"
    Nick & Chris Mechling
    From the Action International Magazine 2003

    "Outstanding Contribution to the Martial Arts"
    Chris Mechling
    From the World Head of Families Council (Martial Arts Founders) 2002

    Master Instructors 2002 Nick & Chris Mechling
    at the Gathering of the Masters (England)

    "Jiu Jitsu Instructor of the Year" Nick Mechling
    WKU Hall of Fame (2002)

    "International Martial Artist of the Year"
    Nick & Chris Mechling
    International Association of Martial Artists (2002)

    "Best International Martial Arts School"
    Nick & Chris Mechling
    From the World Head of Families Council (Martial Arts Founders) 2001

    Instructor of the Year" Chris Mechling
    International Association of Martial Artists (2001)

    "International Instructor of the Year" Nick Mechling
  8. JohnnyCache is offline
    JohnnyCache's Avatar

    All Out of Bubblegum

    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    10,479

    Posted On:
    2/26/2005 9:39am

    supporting memberforum leader
     Style: FMA

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Yeah, I could've done without the padded resume. . .The world head of family council needs a web designer real bad...

    While the WKU is hosted by tripod

    It looks like an OK place - nice gym, mixed approach, eclectic curriculum, realistic BB timeframe, OK handling of kids in the school - they're welcome but it doesn't look like a Deadly Dragon Day Care and the disadvantages of kids are acknowledged, to paraphrase, "Children can learn skills that will serve them their entire lives if they continue to practice"

    Their website doesn't offer much as to their finacial practices, but as has already been mentioned, Villari was one of "those schools" . . .

    On the whole, I don't think time there would be wasted, but as allways, you can't tell too much from just a website unless a school is one extreme or the other...
    Last edited by JohnnyCache; 2/26/2005 9:46am at .
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
  9. monkeykicker is offline

    Featherweight

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    endor
    Posts
    10

    Posted On:
    2/10/2006 1:05pm

    Bullshido Newbie
     Style: shaolin

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    The poway master's don't look like a mc dojo to me.
  10. FictionPimp is offline

    Sexiest Punching Bag Alive

    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Indiana
    Posts
    2,147

    Posted On:
    2/10/2006 1:46pm


     Style: BJJ/Judo/Boxing

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Looks like a nice place to train, although you never know till you actually go there. My only complaint is a personal one. I HATE mirrors! It really screws me up because I can't stop watching myself.
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Powered by vBulletin™© contact@vbulletin.com vBulletin Solutions, Inc. 2011 All rights reserved.