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    The straigth WT punch (or chain punch) gets its power mainly from the stance/step: on the ground the punches will lack that kind of basis and will be "normal" punches, in the sense that will not take advantage of that kind of power development.
    From what I've seen so far WT:
    - absolutely does not really work before 5th grade/3 yrs of training, because you have to develop really unnatural ways of developing power and approach
    - really works at medium level (above 5th grade, approx after 3 years of training) as a shock / emergency tool, and starts to give you a little advantage in equilibrium, speed due to relaxation and the fact that you start to learn how to use the "weird" mechanics of the style. The average student will not anyway last against an average boxer/wrestlers anyway, as usually most of the school do not spar
    - start to really work in any other situation towards the last student grades (10-12th) and technician, IF the practitioner has sparred / fight experience. In that case, you see some real upgrade in power/speed due to the fact that you have learned the mechanics

    The fact that there are so many really bad MAst in the WT world is mainly due to the fact that learning WT is long and difficult, and at the end you will need to fight or at least spar to transform what you have learned in something really useful (unless you come from a fighting/contact background, in that case the beginning can be harder but the results come quicker)

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    Awesome, we almost have a full blown WT thread. Keep up the good work.

    I will start -

    All this talk is intresting, but we do it differently with much better results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMcFu
    All this talk is intresting, but we do it differently with much better results.
    You really know which buttons to press, don´t you.
    That civilisation may not sink,
    Its great battle lost,
    Quiet the dog, tether the pony
    To a distant post;
    Our master Caesar is in the tent
    Where the maps are spread,
    His eyes fixed upon nothing,
    A hand under his head.


    - W.B. Yeats

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    Wing Chun can hardly be called a "traditional martial art", its revolutionary ideas amd principles ( centerline, tarpping, sticky hands, low kicks) is what gives it its edge of static and dead arts.
    Its short arm bridges and footwork allows its fighters to close the distance and demolish their oppoents with a blitzkrieg-like attacke of fists, palms, elbows, knees and low kicks.
    Its trapping neutralises any possible counters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronin69
    Wing Chun can hardly be called a "traditional martial art", its revolutionary ideas amd principles ( centerline, tarpping, sticky hands, low kicks) is what gives it its edge of static and dead arts.
    Its short arm bridges and footwork allows its fighters to close the distance and demolish their oppoents with a blitzkrieg-like attacke of fists, palms, elbows, knees and low kicks.
    Its trapping neutralises any possible counters.
    Shoud I pos rep you or neg rep you, oh mighty moderator?
    That civilisation may not sink,
    Its great battle lost,
    Quiet the dog, tether the pony
    To a distant post;
    Our master Caesar is in the tent
    Where the maps are spread,
    His eyes fixed upon nothing,
    A hand under his head.


    - W.B. Yeats

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    I remember my first encounter with wing chun:
    As I tried to grapple, my attempts were shut down by the WC fighters incredble hand speed and foot work.
    I tried for the single leg, I was stopped by a barge of punchs to my head and neck area, I had to re-group, blood flowed from my nose and eyebrow.
    I turned to kyokushin, and as I tried to low kick I was countered by a back cross kick/stomp to my supprorting leg, I just managed not to fall, but as I tried to regain my balance, I was attacked again by a baggarge of fists, elbows and knees !!
    My arms you trapped and tangled as the WC fighter mercilessly hit on me at will !!!

    As was beaten.

    My judo wasn't enough, my kyokushin? paled in comparison to the unstoppable force that is Wing Chun.

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    lol @ Ronin's parody -at least I hope that's what it is.

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    Downhill we go - andale andale, arriba arriba!
    That civilisation may not sink,
    Its great battle lost,
    Quiet the dog, tether the pony
    To a distant post;
    Our master Caesar is in the tent
    Where the maps are spread,
    His eyes fixed upon nothing,
    A hand under his head.


    - W.B. Yeats

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    bncwd, I agree wholeheartedly WC isnt for everyone. It takes too long too long to learn and most sifus refuse to adapt the the techniques for people with long limbs.

    MrMcFu, yea my account wasnt working for a week.

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    Parady ????
    I should say not !!

    My respect for Wing Chun goes without question !!
    Much like a limP noodle, Wing Chun is something to be feared !
    Last edited by Ronin; 2/24/2005 10:24am at . Reason: Editied to hide cannabalistic undertones.

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