It doesn't matter if Isshin-ryu is the laughing stock of the karate world when Karate is the laughing stock of the martial arts world.
I've never left a school but on a similar note, I went to a BJJ place for about 2 weeks to try it out. I liked it very much and the instuctor was a BB trained by Renzo Gracie. But the problem was they wanted me to sign up for a full 1 year contract, once you sign up thats it, I dont remember how much it was but it was a big lump of money to join, so I left.
This is an excert from an article about my experiences of bad TKD that I wrote a while ago.
My personal opinion from my experiences of TKD is that it has very much lost its way, it is so watered down and soft when you comparing it to something like Muay Thai that I do not even consider it to be a martial art anymore, more of a cardio kick boxing in doboks. But what worried me even more is the disillusion of the majority of instructors that I have come across when it comes to self defence. I have been taught many "self defence" techniques most if not all I have disregarded as being a quick and easy way to get beaten to a pulp.
I will share with you my last session in my previous TKD school. The self defence section started once again with the usual message and mentality that if you are attacked on the street you must not hurt your attacker as you may get sued. Myself knowing the law knew this to be whole heartedly inaccurate, however the rest of the class took it in as gospel as this was a black belt speaking, a person whose power and experience should be respected and feared. Next was the demonstration of the technique of escaping from a rear bear hug with arms pinned at the sides? The escape was to bend at the waste and pinch the bit of fat behind the attacker’s leg, this would cause the attacker to throw his arms up in pain and allow the defender to escape. This was very well demonstrated by the instructor on one of her higher students. Next it was time for the class to practice the technique. I was paired up with a particularly petit female member. I applied the bear hug but decided this time to apply is with force, not full force and not to hurt my partner but just non-compiling. After about 3 minutes of my partner struggling to bend down and pinch my thigh she called over one of the instructors and proceeded to ask why it was not working. The instructor then asked me to bear hug him; I did so but with conviction. There was no way he was going to be able to escape it this way even though I was not holding on with all my strength. So that instructor called over the head instructor who strolled over and said in these words “He is holding on is he, Right class look this way”. She then told me to bear hug her how I had done the instructor which I did. She then explained that if the attacker was really holding on then the bend at the waste should be sudden and hard. She then demonstrated, I did not loosen my grip but instead started to slowly move backwards, after several attempts and several loud kia’s she finally asked me to loosen up so she could demonstrate. I did so and she then reached behind my thigh looking for some skin to pinch after some searching she found some (I am not that out of shape) and proceeded to pinch me, however the pain was minimal and I did not release my hold. She then stood up straight still in the hold and told the class that is how to do it. They all nodded and then went back to practicing, although I did see some scepticism on some faces. She took me to one side and asked me why I was here, I really had no answer.
I did not mean any disrespect but this was the same week that my brother had been beaten up attempting to perform a citizen’s arrest on a group of robbers at his school and I had decided that I was not going to put up with anymore stupidities in the self defence class. After that was the TKD ground work which basically consisted of rolling around on the floor trying to apply locks and moves that the instructor has obviously copied from a UFC video or something, I decided to sit out and stretch.
It wasn’t only the self defence that prompted me to leave, it was also the whole mentality of not questioning anything and thinking that TKD is the best. My instructor never questioned her instructor and nor any of her students questioned her, you did what you were told and took everything you were taught and told as gospel. The fact that the instructors had never sparred in anything other than light / no contact point sparring nor had ever been in a violent or potentially violent situation did not matter, she was wearing a black belt and therefore knew everything. She had done the 4 years of hitting paddles and doing forms (which I considered nothing more than dance moves, which have little use to the application of techniques) and was therefore qualified to teach self defence and martial arts to people who do not know better. You hear martial art and you think of fighting.
This common teaching methods and practice, and the mentality of instructors and students is why I believe that TKD is not taken seriously in the martial art community and is loosing its way as a martial art.
Oh boy! Thats special. Must be a real thoughtful intelligent person to impart such profound words of wisdom. Your instructor must be so proud!
Originally Posted by Adrian5
I will grant that because of sports karate, commercialism, and the American propensity for fast food, many karate schools in this country are not worth spit. However, do not be fooled into thinking that there are no "real" karate dojos out there, quietly operating in the background, more concerned with developing their skill than making a quick buck or winning a plastic trophy.
Anyone interested in a serious discussion, or is this just a name calling group.
Last edited by Darren San; 2/26/2006 12:46pm at .
Reason: mispelled a word...sorry
Yes, we know you have Teh R34l Isshin.
First let me offer you th3 advice I was offered when I first started posting Darren. Keep it short unless you have something worthwhile to say. Second, judging by your last post you are talking about all these low key skewls opertaing in the background practicing the 'r3al krotty'. You better be careful next thing you know you'll be claiming u have secret knowledge handed down from ninja masters in some cave (see GI Joe issue 86?). So lets move on and except that you r new and we will tolerate your quest for intellectual conversation only so far. And as for your question about "is this a place just to call ppl names?" Of course not asshead. :new_321:
The problem is that 90% of karate and tkd out there is utter crap. I've trained in good places and I've trained in crap places. When I first tried my hand at contact fighting (in a tkd school - GASP!) back in the late 90's I realized that a lot of what I had learned was bullshit. My tkd teacher did forms, and we did those fancy jumping spinning kicks. He also made sure we knew what was for fights and what was for show. As evidenced by the time I was fighting him, tried a jumping spinning heel kick. He charged in, grabbed me, slammed me in the tile floor and while I lay there in considerable pain he told me never to try that fancy **** in a fight again. He then went on to tell me that moves like that were not for fighting. The only purpose they have was to impress chicks and strengthen the body. He still taught us those moves....but he made sure we knew they wern't to be tried in a fight.
Originally Posted by Darren San
Sadly most karate and tkd teachers don't make that distinction hence why most of the dojos you will walk into are garbage. Hence why most people on here will tell you that karate and tkd are crap. They are right. It's sad but true. It's not the styles, it's the way they are taught and trained.
I love doing kata, it's relaxing and good for overall fitness. But it's nothing more than dancing for boys. Anyone who tells you otherwise is full of ****.
Don't expect anyone to respect your style of karate when 90% of karate schools teach worthless bullshit. Unless you're doing hard contact fighting, and learning takedowns/ground work you're missing out on a lot of the tools you need to defend yourself.
Until the average karate school becomes a place where you learn real seff defence the average bullshidoka will say karate sucks donkey balls. You can either accept that fact and prove them wrong by showing up to a throwdown or you can continue to get your knickers in a twist and bitch about the fact that you're not getting respect on these boards. I hope you choose option #1 because people don't have patience for option #2.
P.S. No I havn't been to a throwdown. But before you harp on me for that I was supposed to be at the last Toronto TD...got there late and the venue had changed. Had no way of getting in touch with anyone to find out where it was. Plus I don't claim to have th3 r3al shotokan, or any real fighting skills in general. In fact these days I kinda suck ass.
P.P.S. No I don't have stats to back up my percentages....that's just my way of saying "the vast majority". So don't fucking get bent out of shape by the numbers. You know the point I'm getting at.
P.P.P.S Welcome to Bullshido
I remember my first time sparring, after a month or so of TKD.
"How do I block? Like the way we practice? *demonstrates front down block*"
"No, of course not. Just try and not get hit."
"*blown away* But... why did we learn them?"
I was a dumb little fucker.
Tough is not how you act, tough is how you train.
I hear that ****.
Originally Posted by feedback
I started a fight with a guy I didn't like after one year of taekwondo. I thought I could fight.
I was wrong.
I'm picturing you backing up while throwing grazing up-roundkicks until you quickly fall over. Am I right?
Originally Posted by Mjelva
Tough is not how you act, tough is how you train.
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