Wall-bag Training

[MEGA JESUS-SAMA]

They didnt?

Do you seriously think they did?

[Shuma-Gorath]

What evidence is there that hitting bags gives you arthritis?

Not "bags", you idiot. Wall-mounted sacks of rock will ruin your joints. Even the most hardcore makiwaras have a flexible stands so something gives when you hit it.

[Traditional Tom]

Here's how I train to get 'harder' punches.

Punch a wall-bag over and over again. Apply dit ja jow. Repeat.

At my school we have two wall-bags, one filled with rice, one with rocks. I started on the one with rice, then worked my way up to the rock-filled bag after about 8 or 10 months.

Here's a drawing of a wall-bag, or 'sao bao' that I found. http://www.kungfu-videos.com/sao_bao_sketch.html

The point of this kind of training is to get your hands accustomed to punching hard objects, also to strengthen your wrists and punches in general.

So, do other schools have this kind of training? What different methods are there for getting similar results? I've heard of karate-style makiwara training, but don't know any details about it.

Ever tried a punching bag? punching dummy? sparring partner?

[Shuma-Gorath]

Preemptive strike*: Wooden dummies don't count.















*lol wing chun principles

[lifetime]

Do you seriously think they did?

I don't know. Did they?

By the way are we talking Imperial Japanese Army circa 1930s or Samurai?

[grond]

Thanks Tom. I have used all those methods as a matter of fact, but I think wall-bag training tops them, for hardening of the hands.

[Shuma-Gorath]

Thanks Tom. I have used all those methods as a matter of fact, but I think wall-bag training tops them, for hardening of the hands.

How hard your hands are is of little consequence when you can't put any power behind them.

[Judah Maccabee]

http://www.shimakarate.com/history_karate.shtml

King Sho Shin (1477-1526) banned weapons in Okinawa in 1507 with his "Act of Eleven Distinctions". This is historically significant because it explains the upsurge in development of unarmed self-defense.14 An emphasis on hand conditioning developed because of the wooden armor worn by the occupying Japanese soldiers. Techniques came about because of local conditions and daily activities - in areas where agriculture was most common, the workers had strong arms and upper bodies - so arm and hand movements were emphasized. In Northern China, because of the common use of horses, the men's legs were strong, so they developed techniques using strong leg muscles - especially jumping and kicking. Also, without an effective police force to protect them, the peasants developed a way to use agricultural and domestic implements as weapons.

http://whitecollarboxing.com/karthis.htm

One of the prerequisites for performing the sensational, bare-handed board-, brick-, and tile- breaking tricks is hand conditioning, which is achieved by striking hard surfaces until injury occurs. Scar tissue forms in the healing process. Eventually, the conditioned area becomes calloused, enlarged, and insensitive to pain. When karate was used as weaponless combat against an armed and armored enemy, hand conditioning was necessary to enable the bare hands of the karate fighter to break through wooden armor and deliver a single, incapacitating blow. Hand conditioning has no practical present-day function. Extreme hand conditioning injures and permanently disfigures the hands, as well as impairing manual dexterity. The damage is irreversible.

[v1o]

Are you aware that the Japanese Army will not be charging your village wearing wooden armor anymore?

You've shown how you're on the road to permanently disfigure your hands for no practical reason in the modern day.

I'll repeat what Phrost and others have said: Professional Boxers (as in Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, etc) have the hardest and most powerful punches employed in a fighting context.

I disagree, pound for pound a well versed kung fu man can hit harder. I know, ive been thrown across rooms by their strikes.

[v1o]

Wouldn't you get arthristis or something?

Who told you that you get athritis from hitting wall bags?

You wouldnt 80+ yr/old sifus still teaching if they did.

I'm sure you its inherited