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  1. Red Elvis is offline
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    Da Komrads... Again you are MadPelvisOwn3d!

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    Shuma and Deadpan are the correct.
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    To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence;
    Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without spilling your Guinness.
    Sun "Fu Man JhooJits" Tzu, the Art of War & Guinness
  2. Gumby is offline

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     Style: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

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    I think you'd start to see the more grappling oriented fighters win more often should a few of the rules be changed, such as headbutts, and attacks to the spine (and I think its BS you cant stomp a downed opponent).

    The back mount doesnt look like as much as an advantageous position in UFC today because of limited strikes available within the rules. If you let the guy on back open up some elbows to his opponents spine, I think that would change very quickly.
  3. Grant is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzs
    Kicking to the kidney with the heel.

    I don't understand why this one is in place.
  4. Deadpan Scientist is offline

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    A damaged kidney is serious bad news.
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    What if they allowed Giant City Smashing Robots; I'd like to see the changes to grappling if that were allowed.
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    The Man with No Neck

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    What about the 'no fingers in any orifice' rule? What's the use of being a grappler if you can't give your opponent an 'oil check'?
    "I had once talked to Billy Conn, the boxer, about professionals versus amateurs - specifically street fighters. One had always heard rumors of champions being taken out by back-alley fighters. Conn was scornful. "Aw, it's like hitting a girl," he said. "They're nothing."


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  7. Nid is offline

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    Well said.
  8. Gumby is offline

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     Style: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Majique
    I don't understand why this one is in place.
    Kidney kicks, while painfull, are more long term damage than immediate damage. The slight edge it may give someone doesnt outweigh the risk factors of having a badly damaged kidney.

    In one of the Gracies in Action videos, Rorion explains that during one of Helio's fights, he heel kicked his opponents kidney for so often and so long that after the fight, his opponent was urinating pieces of his kidney.
  9. 9chambers

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    >Kicking to the kidney with the heel.

    That rule was made to prevent Royce from wrapping people up in a tight guard and driving his heel into their kidney over and over .. which he did quite frequently. A lot of those rules were added because of specific people. Tito, for example, always got a front choke and started sending knees to the top of the other guy's head until he drew blood and they stopped the fight. That's why there is a rule against that.
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     Guy Who Pays the Bills and Gets the Death Threats Style: MMA (Retired)

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    Headbutting was taken out because of the risk of cuts, not to give grappers any sort of leg-up.

    But either way, a skilled grappler will be able to use headbutts, knees, or any other forms of striking from the ground better than any standup striker, simply by virtue of his better understanding of and ability to achieve positional dominance/superiority.
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