2/13/2005 9:30pm, #1
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How would grappling change, or would it?, if...
From the UFC site, these is the list of things that are against the rules (non-attack related ones, ie. holding the ropes, disopeying the ref, etc. edited out)
Butting with the head.
Eye gouging of any kind.
Groin attacks of any kind.
Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
Small joint manipulation.
Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
Grabbing the clavicle.
Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
Stomping a grounded opponent.
Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
How do people think grappling would change (or would it?) if these were no longer fouls?
Would a lot of the holds and etc. work still?
2/13/2005 9:39pm, #2
The only thing I wish they would allow is kicking, kneeing, or stomping the head of a grounded opponent. Fucking buttscooters.Tough is not how you act, tough is how you train.
2/13/2005 10:09pm, #3
2/13/2005 10:32pm, #4
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I looked up Pride's rules, and again editing out non-attack ones, found
GROUNDS FOR DISQUALIFICATION
1 No head butting, eye gouging, hair pulling, biting or fish hooking.
2 No attacking the groin
3 No strikes (kicks, elbows, punching) to the back of the head (which includes the occipital region and the spine). The sides of the head and the area around the ears are not considered to be the back of the head.
4 No small joint manipulation (control of four or more fingers/toes is necessary).
5 No elbow strikes to the head and face.
6 No intentionally throwing your opponent out of the ring.
9 No kicks or knees to the head or the face of an opponent who falls face down.
So Pride has at least some of the same rules as UFC does.
2/13/2005 10:44pm, #5
Head-butting definitely changes things. Don Frye used to punish guys that pulled guard on him by head-butting the **** out of their face while tying up their arms. I think Mark Kerr used to do the same thing in Brazil fighting vale tudo. Head-butts hurt, no doubt about that. . ."I had once talked to Billy Conn, the boxer, about professionals versus amateurs - specifically street fighters. One had always heard rumors of champions being taken out by back-alley fighters. Conn was scornful. "Aw, it's like hitting a girl," he said. "They're nothing."
- George Plimpton
2/13/2005 10:59pm, #6
For some reason I expected something along the lines of "if people had 4 arms?". I'm dissapointed. :(
2/13/2005 11:46pm, #79chambersGuest
My short answer was, "Just watch some old UFCs." Seriously though, I also wonder what it would be like if they had a UFC with the old rules (almost none) now that everyone's game has evolved so much.
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2/13/2005 11:47pm, #8Originally Posted by jzs
I think taking away most of these rules would influence standup striking and grappling more than ground grappling.
2/14/2005 12:06am, #9
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2/14/2005 12:08am, #10
It would only diminish the number of excuses available to grapplephobes.