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    Quote Originally Posted by Dochter
    (1)That was mostly judo expert testimony (i.e. Mehdi).
    Nope. The Mehdi article doesn't even mention Kosen Judo (I don't think). It was the article off of jiu-jitsu.net that discusses the Kosen Judo tapes and how the author has heard several times about how such an such technique is a unique new technique when he learned it several years ago andhow its right there on these fifty year old judo tapes....
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    You're saying I'm going to gain the same skills in a Kodokan judo school as a BJJ school?
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    You're saying I'm going to gain the same skills in a Kodokan judo school as a BJJ school?
    Nope. Well, you will gain some of the same skills. You will learn some submission fighting (and not something like "this works on the ground too" submission fighting).

    But as I have often corrected you, I never contended that kodokan=BJJ.
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    I'll break my word and say it again:

    Similar techniques do not determine whether an art is the same as it's parent.

    The difference is training methodology and philosophy.

    Do you agree with this or not? Please provide examples to back up your statements.
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    Have we determined BJJ is a FAD yet?

    Hurry up and do so because the last couple of pages were not covering that.


    Oh one more thing to add to the FAD talk:

    The AFRO :new_rainf

    It was definitely one of the FADs of the 70s but it was around way before then and its still around today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forseti
    Nope. Well, you will gain some of the same skills. You will learn some submission fighting (and not something like "this works on the ground too" submission fighting).

    But as I have often corrected you, I never contended that kodokan=BJJ.
    Your entire argument is based on the idea that people will leave BJJ when they learn the startling truth that they are just learning judo, despite how no judo school places the same emphasis on groundfighting as BJJ.

    Can you cite some cases of people leaving BJJ for judo after learning the shocking revaltion that they just doing Kosen judo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyS
    I'll break my word and say it again:

    Similar techniques do not determine whether an art is the same as it's parent.

    The difference is training methodology and philosophy.

    Do you agree with this or not? Please provide examples to back up your statements.
    I didn't say that kodokan was the same as BJJ, I said that Kosen is. Training methodology and philosophy also make the difference simply between two schools of the same style. It is precisely because I have a guy on jiu-jitsu.net saying that BJJ has yet to even come up with a new technique, that I say it is "the same as kosen judo".

    Surely you can see the limits of saying that training methodology and philosophy make a new style -- then every school is its own whole style of martial arts. Look, I'm not demanding that the Gracies start calling it judo or even kosen judo or even Gracie judo.
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    I would not say that BJJ is just Judo, it is basically Advanced Judo ne waza though.

    Judo is to a General Practioner as BJJ is to a Cardiologist.

    Both are Doctors of Medicine, but one is a specialist.
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    And I've shown you that there are new techniques that have been invented in BJJ, as well as new techniques added from other arts.
    So there is a difference in techniques, philosophy and training methods. What more do you want?
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    THIS IS NOT A "BJJ/JUDO BLA BLA BLA" THREAD. IT IS HOWEVER ONE ABOUT THE CURRENT STATE OR PRECEPTION OF BJJ!!! GET IT! GOT IT! GOOD!!!
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