[Letum]

Originally Posted by Cracky McSlugHoot

Yes, but at least you were the "barely knows" instead of the "no idea" candidate.

Yay. Re-reading my post I can see why you think that, not that I know alot anyway, to be honest.

[harrygreb]

no, it is not just a fad.

[Taiwan-Evo]

I definitely do not think it is a fad. I think from my experience their is never an unhappy bjjer. I never hear people that have trained years in bjj say"I don't think a lot of this stuff is practical" or "why do we have to do this it wont work" I don't think it is the best martial art ,but definitely a necessity to get a good ground game to be an all round fighter .BJJ does a good job of doing that.

So until BJJ starts giving out blackbelts easily and doing useless drills and no aliveness sparing eat will stay around for a long time as a popular martial art. I think it has helped a lot of other TMA's and even Judo clubs pick up there game, as to the effectiveness of their training.

Its all good for the MA scene. The fads will be the styles that cant live up to their claims.

[phuquedup]

The fads will be the styles that cant live up to their claims.

by that definition GJJ at least is definitely a bit of a fad, no? You could fill a book with all the lofty claims Helio and his offspring have made.

like

"never carry a weapon, only jiu jitsu"

whether or not BJJ is a fad isnt determined by its usefulnes but by the amount of time it spends in prominence. A fad is short lived.

[Taiwan-Evo]

Originally Posted by phuquedup

by that definition GJJ at least is definitely a bit of a fad, no? You could fill a book with all the lofty claims Helio and his offspring have made.

like

"never carry a weapon, only jiu jitsu"

whether or not BJJ is a fad isnt determined by its usefulnes but by the amount of time it spends in prominence. A fad is short lived.

I dont see bjj as a prominate MA. I just see that it has now made it known to the MA comunity that a ground game is essential. BJJ is just better known now. Before UFC came most people thought that Shaolin kung fu is the dealiest form known to man and nothing could touch a master of it. People are better educated now so I think kung fu has not got as much popularity as pre UFC but I wouldnt call it kung fu a fad.

[Taiwan-Evo]

Originally Posted by phuquedup

by that definition GJJ at least is definitely a bit of a fad, no? You could fill a book with all the lofty claims Helio and his offspring have made.

like

"never carry a weapon, only jiu jitsu"

whether or not BJJ is a fad isnt determined by its usefulnes but by the amount of time it spends in prominence. A fad is short lived.

"never carry a weapon, only jiu jujitsu"
I don't think they mean this to be taken literally. I am talking more about knocking people out without touching them and the death touch type statements.

[phuquedup]

I dont see bjj as a prominate MA.

then I dont know what to say. BJJ is one of the fastest growin MA's in the US, and probably in the world.

I don't think they mean this to be taken literally.

don't be a nutrider. Helio said it, he meant it, he even went on to explain why jiu jitsu is better than a weapon.

Before UFC came most people thought that Shaolin kung fu is the dealiest form known to man and nothing could touch a master of it.

yawn

I am talking more about knocking people out without touching them and the death touch type statements.

well we agree that shits ridiculous... but really - who makes those statements on a regular basis? What MA fads have claimed the death touch or the no-touch knockout?

[Taiwan-Evo]

Originally Posted by phuquedup

then I dont know what to say. BJJ is one of the fastest growin MA's in the US, and probably in the world.

It has only been newly recognised in the general comunity and even the MA comunity so ofcause it is gonna boom after doing so well in MMA.

Originally Posted by phuquedup

don't be a nutrider. Helio said it, he meant it, he even went on to explain why jiu jitsu is better than a weapon.

Fistly dont start with name calling it is uncalled for.
Well I never heard of this theory from Helio if so it is ridiculous.Although agree in not using weapons unless being attacked by one.
It would be good if you could show me some source of information that shows these statements being made.

Originally Posted by phuquedup

yawn

sarcasm?sounds like I may not want to continue this discussion with you. If you disagree write something to dispute it but dont try to turn this into an argument rather than a discussion.

Originally Posted by phuquedup

well we agree that shits ridiculous... but really - who makes those statements on a regular basis? What MA fads have claimed the death touch or the no-touch knockout?

I was talking about kung fu in general actually had a reputation and still does of believing in Chi power and using it to knock oponants out even without touching. I have studied kung u in Australia and some in Taiwan. My current instructor in Taiwan is very well trained in Wing chun.

What I was basically saying before is that kung fu/karate both ran through their popularity periods but I wouldnt call them fads. Karate had a boom after the karate kid series:icon_smil

Anyway I just meant to give my opinion and to maybe discuss something. I dont feel like getting into name calling and arguments.

You have your opinion I have mine. We probably agree on most things.
Just the labelling of fad is different.

[phuquedup]

It has only been newly recognised in the general comunity and even the MA comunity so ofcause it is gonna boom after doing so well in MMA.

That its had its growth spurt over the last 10 years or so doesnt change the fact that it is today a very prominent MA. There are at least 5 schools that teach BJJ within a 30 mile radius of where I'm at. I don't know of any other MA i can say that for.

Fistly dont start with name calling it is uncalled for.

I didnt mean to offend you, but I call em as I see em. That you seemingly didnt mind the Gracies telling tall tales while simultaneously bashing anyone else who did the same would in fact make you a nutrider.

Well I never heard of this theory from Helio if so it is ridiculous.Although agree in not using weapons unless being attacked by one.
It would be good if you could show me some source of information that shows these statements being made.

Its from his interview with Brazilian Playboy.

sarcasm?sounds like I may not want to continue this discussion with you. If you disagree write something to dispute it but dont try to turn this into an argument rather than a discussion.

Because you can't possibly say something like "before the UFC everyone thought shaolin kung fu was the absolute deadliest" and expect me to honestly discuss it with you. Its completely ridiculous. Maybe I just run in different circles, but KF has always been seen as a bit of a joke as far as actual competitive fighting goes.

Anyway I just meant to give my opinion and to maybe discuss something. I dont feel like getting into name calling and arguments.

Thats fair. Again, I didnt mean to offend you. However you'll find I'm probably one of the nicest people you'll meet on this board ;)

Just the labelling of fad is different.

I believe a fad is, by definition, a short lived craze of popularity. Emphasis on popularity, and short lived.

[Taiwan-Evo]

http://www.blackbeltdigitalvideo.com...ew-news43.html

PLAYBOY] Today, for self defense is it better to go armed, or to learn jiu-jitsu?

HELIO: A revolver is a two edged sword. If a robber finds your weapon he can take it and use it against you. But the robber can't see your jiu-jitsu and you run no risk of being disarmed. Never use weapons.

[Prof. Helio uses the expression "uma arma de dois gumes".]

PLAYBOY: How would you defend against an assault?

HELIO: It depends. If it's just one guy, from a reasonable distance, I'd take his revolver with one technique. But if it's several armed assailants, I'd hand over everything that I had on me at the time, because I'm not stupid. In these cases, it is foolish to resist, because you are going to die. A thief is afraid, who doesn't believe in himself, he only has his revolver. Any reaction and he shots you right then and there. The danger of a Brazilian robber is his fear. In my case, if I wanted to assault someone, I wouldn't need a revolver. It would be enough to grab the victim's neck and take everything right away.

If this is the quote your using I disagree with your opinion that he is stating jujitsu is better than a weapon. He discourages carrying a weapon and even says he would not fight against a gun unless a single person within close proximity. Which parts of this statement are lofty claims?

As far as teh definition of fad you are right. But I say teh popularity of bjj is a fad not the MA itself. Just as the popularaty of kung fu and karate had their fads of popularity but I wouldnt call kung fu and karate a fad.