Thread: Pa-Kua ??
12/09/2005 4:10pm, #31
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Very phony site. There is not much real Bagua left nowdays, and this is much worse.
This looks like karate or kempo mixed with some very basic Bagua principles. Honestl, I grew tired of seeing Shaolin methods watered down in this way, as well as taiji methods, and now Bagua? This kind of degradation seems to be unavoidable in American society, but whatever. Its pretty obvious the "Chuan" gives it away, as it is obviously "Zhang" (palm).Basically it looks like they are doing their karate (or whatever) and walking around in a circle. Even then there is no fluidity or real power behind any of their techniques. And the training with partnet thing is just ridiculous.
Oh well, I guess it was bound to happen one way or another
12/09/2005 9:14pm, #32Originally Posted by simo
Well, so called master instructor Novell Bell (proud to be the first ghetto black taoist out of NYC - no kidding, visit his site: http://www.blacktaoist.com/) does that all the time on the Ba Gua Zhang yahoo message board. Bashing other systems of pa kua chang kung fu is his true art. (Funny, because he has over 5 sifus, and still aquiring more!) He is a master of bashido!
Second, GOOD FOR HIM. Places like that craptastic Karate-pseudo-pakua piece of **** NEED to be bashed on. Complete scam with no relevance to what they claim to be teaching whatsoever unlike Novel, who's bagua teacher I have personally visited in Beijing.
He is a tournament fighter who claims to use pa kua kung fu technique, but does not.
Not only does he like to educate the world of his knowledge, Chinese language skills, and how incredible his system is since he learned true pa kua chang from an authentic Chinaman...
2. He did learn "true pa kua chang from an authentic Chinaman". I don't know why you should give a **** but I can confirm that he has been to China on numerous trips and that his main bagua teacher, Xu Shifu, has got some serious skills. I can also confirm that Novell's understanding of the theory AND history of Baguazhang is about as thorough as most anyone I have ever met. I can only think of one or two people that I know who perhaps are more up on the history than he is.
But he truley belives his sh*t don't stink because he then he goes and posts a link on our message board to sell his DVD on the board:
From: "Novell G. Bell" <brotherlaoqiang@...
Date: Fri Dec 9, 2005 8:45 am
Subject: NOVELL LAOSHI YIN STYLE DVD NOW AVAILABLE. brotherlaoqiang
NOVELL LAOSHI YIN STYLE DVD NOW AVAILABLE.
That's is so awsome. I hoghly reccomend his DVD. It's got more practical stuff on it than the BS thrown around at pakua.org.
Let's be serious and smart here! We know that most books and videos on any martial art only scratch the surface ...
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12/10/2005 12:11am, #33
CMA needs MORE people like Novell Bell and less pedantic form-fairy fantasy dickholes.
12/10/2005 11:04am, #34
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Arbiter... that avatar is fucking priceless!! I wonder how ol' super soke is doing?!
12/12/2005 3:45am, #35Originally Posted by simo
this thread is about pa kua??? - I'm discussing pakua???, not pa kua.
There's no god damned difference you moron!
Bagua, pakua, pa kwa, baguazhang, p'akuachang....it's all the same damn thing. And what are all those random question marks supposed to indicate?
Are you making some feeble attempt at being pedantic (as if that was a good thing) and expecting someone to believe that the addition or a space between the words "pa" and "kua" makes a difference?
I fart in your general direction.:5badair:
12/12/2005 8:13am, #36
That crap shown on the pakua website is hideous. It is not bagua but some made up hodge podge garbage that runs rampant here in the west.
reminds me of Oon Yang Doe/Chung Mu Doe and their version of Pakua.
Novell Shrfu gets big respect for stepping up as well as having decent skills.
You are either brain damaged or warped to think that crap is anything but the fradulent poop it is. You really need to do some basic research before you mouth off about others who step up and represent.
12/12/2005 8:55am, #37
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12/12/2005 9:25am, #38
Om Yang Doe is still alive and well.
That clip is awful. Like 3 step sparring applied to bagua
12/12/2005 9:33am, #39
Taking a closer look at their site I noticed they have ignored the last character which is historically linked with Bagua, that of Zhang/Chang/Jerng(palm).
They also have split the radical for Kua/Gua into two pieces and that is totally unacceptable. You dont mix up the Chinese, well you can but it points to your ignorance of basic Chinese and Bagua material in general.
12/12/2005 9:44am, #40
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Does anyone have experience with the Yin Fu - Xie Peiqi - He Jinbao BaGua lineage? A link can be found at http://www.traditionalstudies.org/ysb I know that there are study groups and I thought the site was an interesting read.