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  1. erictbrown1 is offline

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     Style: Boxing, Wrestling, karate

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    No problem I go to the Health store to by my products, GNC cost too much money.
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    Sounds like it could be worth investing.

    Any horror stories from using this stuff?
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    Okay, now I'm outa class, I can go into detail.

    <-- Weightling supplement junkie.

    No2 dialates your blood vessels through the time release of Arginine Ketagluterate. Now, T-nation says it's a load of bs and it's psychological, but it worked for me and alot of other people that have taken it. It works similarly to Viagra in the Nitric Oxide increase. The pumps everyone talks about is feeling you've been working out the whole day and you're in that swollen phase(in a good way) You feel pumped, and vascular. The AKG that's released into your system allows more blood to saturate your muscles which can increase the amt of ATP you can use during your lift aswell as the efficiency of the your body to get rid of lactic acid and waste products your body produces from exertion.(The oxidation) It works hand in hand with Creatine and Kre-Alkalyn because creatine enhances water absorbtion of your tissues and the No2 allows more blood flow to also increase the ATP during lifts. I'm only referring to the ATP because I power lift and don't go for the endurance lifting, but it helps in that capacity aswell by extending your body's source of energy from Glycogen (TBM will have to correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I think this is the right chemical.)

    As for horror stories, there's nothing in it to really damage your body, it's not screwing with your endocrine system or causing any abnormal growth or physiological change. The Vasodialtion is actually more beneficial to you as more nutrients and more blood can flow to everything in your body, including your thought muscle. As for being addictive, psychologically or otherwise, it's not. I noticed awesomeness in it for the first two months I took it, I suggest the NOx2 with the NOx2 night extender. So you have it in your system even when you sleep, and for your dinner to speed recovery to your muscles. At the end of the 2nd month, I noticed little difference off of it, but I kept everything that I gained, vascularity and strength. I'd wait to buy this until you're 4-5 months in to your strength training, and it's better off with a progressive resistance or hypertrophy program versus just BWE's. You'll gain more with it and you need to be able to have a set program and specific goals as well as your base strength, otherwise its a waste of money. I also suggest stacking with NO2. Don't just take it by itself. I definitely suggest Nox2 with Kre-Alkalyn(super creatine that gets fully absorbed, is much more potent and doesn't turn into the toxin, creatinine aswell as being cheaper and in pill form) and you can stack others on to if aswell if you have any particular favorites. The only possibly dangerous supplements and by possibly I mean, if you're an idiot and go nuts with it, are actual steroids like equipoise, durabolin, etc. All this "natural" stuff is pretty fool proof, unless you choke on a pill and die. Hope that answers any questions, and ask away if you have more on this or other supplement info.
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     Style: Mostly weights now...

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    there is a possible contraindication for use that is theoretical only (as far as i know): chronic inflammatory diseases like RA because of the effect that NO has on inflammation.

    by similar mechanisms, people that take NSAIDs while taking NO2 might be reducing the effects of both. but that is just theoretical as well.
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    I wouldn't worry about that so much. You can always pop an asprin after the lift if you need to get the inflammation down, even if NO was to aggravate the condition. I've never read or heard about anyone having a bad problem with NO in regards to Arthritic conditions.
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    The more I read, the more I'm intrigued...
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     Style: Thai Boxing

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    You had me at.


    Quote Originally Posted by AkiraMusashi
    ................................. and you'll feel like you're on cocaine.
    Thanks for the info guys.
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    I have to say it reeks of bullshit to me.

    I hadn't heard using supplements to increase NO production before this thread and the more I read about it the less sense it makes. All the adds are talking about "hemodilation" which is some made up term when what they really mean is vasodilation*. I mean if they can't even get the basic language right how trustworthy is anything else they say?

    It appears that these supplements are just precursors of other molecules used in the synthesis of NO (although when I saw the name NO2 I thought some loony was sucking down nitrogen dioxide, which would not be a sensible thing to do). There's no physiological reason to believe that having increased levels of them would increase NO production in exercise because it goes up hugely anyway. As to going around feeling pumped all day, given that NO has a half-life of five seconds max and is produced on demand, it sounds more psychological than physical.

    *Hemodilation, we are told, means that the blood vessels dilate to carry more of the red stuff to where it is needed. I'd never heard the term before (after nearly twenty years as a healthcare professional - the last six as an educator) so I did a search of the usual scientific databases (Medline etc.) and came up with 13 unique hits for hemodilation and all of them looked to be spelling mistakes where what the had meant to say hemodilution (the dilution of blood by other fluids). Tried the same with vasodilation and got 50,000 hits. Draw your own conclusions.
    Failing to become awesome since 1976
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    2/11/2005 12:01pm


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    I will repost here with my results, No2 with Kre-Alkalyn ;-)

    If the effects ARE physiological I will let you know, Asia and AkiraMusashi have both given quality advice in the past (ok, aimed at other people but I followed it anyway) so I would be surprised if it is total BS.
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