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  1. VikingPower is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaeBo_Master
    Just for the record, leg raises don't work your abs.
    You're kidding right? I'm talking about the one where you hang from the pull-up bar and raise your legs by flexing your hips as tight as you can go, and then raise your feet towards the bar by flexing your waist. That hits your rectus abdominis and obliques pretty well.
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    If you're moving your legs, basically bending at the hip, you're not working your abs. You're only working your abs when you're bending your torso itself. Most people I see doing leg raises bring their legs from straight down to straight in front of them. No ab work whatsoever.
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    think...try to hump your face for 'leg raises' to work
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    http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...tLegHipRs.html

    This is the kind I'm talking about. I think I know the ones you mean, however, the ones where they just try to make an L shape with their bodies and think thats enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaeBo_Master
    If you're moving your legs, basically bending at the hip, you're not working your abs. You're only working your abs when you're bending your torso itself. Most people I see doing leg raises bring their legs from straight down to straight in front of them. No ab work whatsoever.
    Curl that ass biotch !!

    Curling your torso towards your hips = abs
    Curling your hips towards your torso = abs
    Bouncing a porn star on and off your hips = lucky bastard !!

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    Koto..... yes, those will hit your abs.... BUT, they're still primarily a hip flexor exercise. You'll notice his trunk doesn't flex til he's damn near at the end of the movement. A very inefficient ab exercise at best. And don't give me any of that "But I feel the burn in my lower abs" crap.... most of the burn people feel in their "lower abs" is really a burn in the hip flexors.

    And LOL @ the guy's list of synergists. He's only trying to make himself sound smart by knowing all of these muscle names. For example, he names one of the muscles in the quadriceps, but not the others... and yet his knees aren't moving. Hmm.... does this make sense? And how are the tensor fascia latae and adductor longus and adductor brevis BOTH synergists? They work opposite movements. And what happened to the adductor magnus? And there's no way the sartorius (an external rotator) is doing anything to assist that movement. Sure, several of those muscles act as stabilizers.... but a stabilizer serves a very different function than a synergist.
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    Stop studying physiology, dork!
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    Good explanation TBM. I still like them though :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koto_Ryu
    Good explanation TBM. I still like them though :D
    Tae-bo is spot on with her anatomy, and I'll stop right there with the snide remarks about dedicated research, because my girlfriend will probably beat me. *grin* Hip flexors are important, too; I do the leg raises because I climb, and as a climber, we do a lot of very similar movements when reaching for footholds, and a leg lift hits both the flexors and abdominals.

    Weighted incline/decline situps are your friends. Bicycles are also great, as are sitting rows (I think that's what they're called) and V-ups.

    None of these will, however, give you a six-pack if your bodyfat is above about 10%; most models have a BF% of 6-8%, and yes, that's pretty unhealthy. Best bet to getting a six-pack is to go on a good fat-cutting diet (six small meals a day at just below your maintenance calorie level) and do a ton of cardio and weights. I mean a ton, too -- you aren't going to slim up by doing ten minutes on the stairmaster. Cycling, running, jump rope, HARD SPARRING, swimming, orgies, and so on.

    (And yes, I have a six-pack, and didn't before, so I am speaking from some experience here).

    The diet is the hard part -- you have to stick with it, and even though you're supposed to eat a cheat meal once a week, it's hard to keep it at once sometimes. You'll have to cut down on alcohol as well, and almost totally drop sugar from your diet. Once your body adapts, you stop wanting most of the bad stuff anyways -- I eat spinach salads with a tiny dab of dressing like Rosie O'Donnell eats a bag of Fritos.

    As much as I hate to plug another site, check out the 'Losing Fat' forum on Bodybuilding.com -- they've got a lot of good tips there, and the BB.com website is a treasure trove of conditioning material.
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    Trim the fat, put on lean mass, you'll get one and you won't look like you just left the Dokow like Matadon. :-) Go for a complete physiological change with resistance training.
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