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  1. Matt W. is offline
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    My grappling experience consists of 2 months of BJJ followed by a year of wrestling Folk and Freestyle at a club. I competed once. My feelings are that I enjoyed the wrestling very much. It was easier to jump into than BJJ, easier to compete in and does teach some great ground fundementals. It was also virtually free. Having said that, however, my advice is do BJJ.

    BJJ is what it's really all about, man. And I mean that for both fighting in general and MMA (though I referrence MMA based on what I've been told by some pro fighters, not my own experience). I couldn't afford it at the time, so I wrestled instead, but BJJ is what I really wanted to be doing. The two months of BJJ I took did more for my actual fighting ability than all my other MA training combined. If you can afford it, and there's a good place to train, do BJJ.

    Do it. Do it.
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    My guns bigger than Scrapper's!

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    Posted On:
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    Wrestling first then BJJ.

    Wrestling will teach you to takedowns and attaining (as well as maintiaining) dominate body postion. Even BJJers will tell you position before submission.
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    You can't practice Judo just to win a Judo Match! You practice so that no matter what happens, you can win using Judo!
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  3. Dochter is offline

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    1/26/2005 11:22am

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asia
    Even BJJers will tell you position before submission.
    Well, that is what bjj is about and teaches.
    It's the grappling wannabes who worry about learning 1 billion subs and like to describe them on the internet and try them without learning positional dominance and how to maintain position and transition between positions that are the fucking problem.

    Crap what do you see even in that ESPN highlight? Mount ---> strikes or rearmount ---> RNC.

    But no, I'm going to go for this kneebar here and this gogoplata here.
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  4. TylerDurden is offline

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     Style: BJJ/Judo/HapKiDo

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    The problem with saying wrestling is the solution to learning positions is that in submission wrestling sometimes the proper position is shoulders on the mat. Wrestlers will often put themselves into dangerous positions simply to avoid being turned over.

    Wrestling is a good, but if you want to do submission grappling/MMA BJJ is what you need. So if money is not a concern, take BJJ. If you have cash limitations and get get into wrestling, then take that.
    Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?
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  5. VikingPower is offline
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    Yes Koto got his name changed, quit asking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by antonanton
    Wrestlers only learn how to put people on the ground and pin them.
    Don't forget freestyle wrestling, even "regular old" wrestling still has some submissions.
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  6. VikingPower is offline
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    Yes Koto got his name changed, quit asking...

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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asia
    Wrestling first then BJJ.

    Wrestling will teach you to takedowns and attaining (as well as maintiaining) dominate body postion. Even BJJers will tell you position before submission.
    ^ What Asia said :thumbsup:
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  7. Aesopian is offline

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    Wrestling AND BJJ.
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  8. v1o is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beginner
    Before one learns the "ground game?", what would you suggest he or she first start out with, as a base? Amateur Wrestling or BJJ? Or does it even matter?
    I suggest Judo is you want self defense. You can do BJJ if u into competition
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    I recommend you kill yourself.
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  10. Red Elvis is offline
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    Da Komrads... Again you are MadPelvisOwn3d!

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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by v1o
    I suggest Judo is you want self defense. You can do BJJ if u into competition
    You make no sense. Is Judo not a sport? They are both sports with different rules and different focuses. Yet they can both be applied to self defense depending on the priorities of your coach and where you train. I am finding your posts to be very lame my friend. Are you trying to get your second red shuriken? At least be fuuny if your going to be a troll. :eusa_snoo
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    To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence;
    Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without spilling your Guinness.
    Sun "Fu Man JhooJits" Tzu, the Art of War & Guinness
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