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    Amateur Wrestling or BJJ? For beginners.

    Before one learns the "ground game?", what would you suggest he or she first start out with, as a base? Amateur Wrestling or BJJ? Or does it even matter?
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    Do you want to have a base with strong takedowns and control, or guardwork and submissions?
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    Depends on what your ultimate goal is.

    But first, I'd suggest going to whatever grappling classes in your area a few times a piece and seeing which is better, or which one you personally enjoy more.

    That being said, I myself enjoy submission grappling more.
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    I always wish that I started out in highschool wrestling before I did submissions. But wrestlers can have an akward phase where they're very uncomfortable on their backs (which is different in length depending on the person... like Randleman (never got over it) and Matt Hughes (trains with fucking Jeremy Horn). So try to find a place that has both, or practice with a wrestler, etc...
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    In my completely biased opinion, BJJ is better to start with because wresters seem to have a harder time picking up guardwork than BJJers have learning takedowns, and I find guardwork to be a very important part of the ground game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beginner
    Before one learns the "ground game?", what would you suggest he or she first start out with, as a base? Amateur Wrestling or BJJ? Or does it even matter?
    What ground game are you talking about?

    If the ultimate goal is submission grappling, wrestling can provide a good base (positional skills)- but why not just jump right into BJJ? I'd go BJJ.

    If you are talking about general self-defense, then it depends. I'd go wrestling then move to BJJ/Sambo/Shootfighting or whatever is available.
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    I agree with the above post. If you eventually want to learn ground fighting, why do anything else first? That'd be like if I wanted to do muay thai, so as a starter art, I did tkd instead of jumping right into MT. Wrestling will greatly benefit your take down skills for bjj, but that's about it. Wrestlers only learn how to put people on the ground and pin them. Like someone said above, if your a wrestler doing bjj might feel weird at first. As a wrestler you never want to be on your back, as a jits player, your taught to mainly fight from your back.
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    Wrestling will greatly benefit your take down skills for bjj, but that's about it. Wrestlers only learn how to put people on the ground and pin them.
    And that is exactly why it is a good foundation. Look at how many NHB fighters have wrestling backgrounds. If they then add some submissions and submission defenses later, then you have a pretty good ground fighter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by punchingdummy
    What ground game are you talking about?

    If the ultimate goal is submission grappling, wrestling can provide a good base (positional skills)- but why not just jump right into BJJ? I'd go BJJ.

    If you are talking about general self-defense, then it depends. I'd go wrestling then move to BJJ/Sambo/Shootfighting or whatever is available.
    Thanks for the replies, guys. Just to answer your question, Punchingdummy, I'm referring to submission grappling in a mma type of environment/match.
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