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  1. pst is offline

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    Thanks Dan and Wastrel for the rotator cuff info.
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    Sk8er4life26 do what I do
    Buy a gym membership or weight set of some sort.
    3 times a week move ****.

    Oh wait Thats hasn't worked so far....

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    2/18/2003 1:36pm

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    FM I'm currently looking over the HIT article.

    I'll maintain my skepticism for a little while about the volume, though I also try and top out at 12-16 depending on how I'm feeling.

    As far as the compound exercises according to that view every exercise is compound since except for single arm preacher curls and the like itís next to impossible to fully isolate a muscle. It reminds me of a comment a buddy of mine made half kidding that there wasn't any need to ever work shoulders as they get worked in pretty much every thing else you do (admittedly in support of this theory is the fact that most lifters have far bigger front than rear delts, which is why I split my actual shoulder work outs).

    As an additional aside, a number of football players I know train in a similar manner to what I do when theyíre in the off-season. In season they can't get enough recovery time but other times they're fine. Also the majority of personal trainers (always the bastions of information that they are <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>) work out in this manner.




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    Posted On:
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    eat and train alot.
  6. Gunner is offline

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    Posted On:
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    To each his own....For me, lifting weights is starting small and always using correct form. Train like you were "rocky" or "bruce lee", eat a variety of foods and drink plenty of water. Frank Smarock said it best that correct form and gaining solid poundage of muscle beats heavy lifting without proper form and not to mention the injurys that can result from it. One year of weight lifting is enough to gain weight from turning muscle into fat. That of course is not counting how much fat you had and lost.......Weight lifting is not hard, nor is it hard to make gains. The hard part is weight lifting consistently and pulling yourself out of a slump when you do get in one. Theres a saying that every year, you grow stronger or better at what you do.
  7. Dochter is offline

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    2/18/2003 4:15pm

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    Good form is probably the most important thing, but I'm a bit of a form nazi on lots of things in the gym.

    FD in a quick (5 sec) skim most of the workouts in the HIT strategy involve super high levels of reps as opposed to a combination of low sets and low rep counts.

    'Course that was just a scan of some of the anecdotal accounts.



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    2/18/2003 4:43pm

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    STold2-"BJJ SUCKS"



    join the tall and skinny club lmao
    i'm 6' 140lbs

    though i'm gaining right now

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  9. FingerorMoon? is offline

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    As far as the compound exercises according to that view every exercise is compound since except for single arm preacher curls and the like itís next to impossible to fully isolate a muscle. It reminds me of a comment a buddy of mine made half kidding that there wasn't any need to ever work shoulders as they get worked in pretty much every thing else you do (admittedly in support of this theory is the fact that most lifters have far bigger front than rear delts, which is why I split my actual shoulder work outs).
    I have actually heard that about shoulders.
    But at the low amount I'm doing, I don't see the need to cut out shoulder press as well!
    Thats true that its almost impossible to fully isolate a muscle. My definition of isolation is that it is primarily designed to work one muscle.

    bicep curls, tricep extension/pushdown, side raise, front raise, upright row, pec fly, pec dec, leg extension, hamstring curl - are all isolation exercises by my definition.

    On a side note, its worth cutting these out not just because they aren't necessary (I believe...) but also because many of these put joints at a position they are not mean't to be in.
    (bicep curl and tricep extension are safe)

    A good comparison I've always remembered is - just because smoking doesn't kill you with the first cigarette doesn't mean you should continue. The damage to the shoulders is cumulative over time, especially with side raise, front raise, upright row, pec dec and pec fly.
    If your genetically gifted (ie one of those guys that was naturally big or solid before ever enterting the gym) then it will proabably never become a problem for you. If your one of the average population or was a skinny guy (I'll put my hand up here!), then your risking damage.

    I don't know what the majority of personal trainers/gym instructors are like where you are. In this country, they are next to useless. They are generally people that have done a short fitness course for a few months which unfortunatley qualifies them to give advise on weight lifting and strength training.

    Hey at the least, even if you decide you don't believe in HIT training, you can cut at least a few sets off your weekly training and have more energy for your martial arts training.

    cheers,



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  10. Dochter is offline

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    2/18/2003 5:04pm

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    Err... never been described as skinny.

    "useless"... much more diplomatic than I'd have been.

    What is your take on the rep counts though?



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